8 billion plus humans are not sustainable on Earth regardless of how efficient our electrical production is, how cool Tesla’s cars are, or how many people go vegan. Nature will bring our numbers to sustainable levels if we don’t do it. Nature will not be so kind.
How do you propose to accomplish this degrowth without subjecting the world’s population to genocide and privation?
Education
Opportunity
Help those who don’t want to give birth not to give birth
Reduce the influence of religion that promotes childbirth and irresponsible family planning
Reduce the influence of pressure to grow in every way that is likely exacerbated by capitalism
I find it funny that those who immediately go to genocide are the ones implying I have the sick mind.
8 billion people is absolutely sustainable, we could support significantly more at a modern standard of living with just the resources we use today. The problem is the way we organise how and where we live, and a parasitic owner class using and abusing vastly more resources than they could ever need.
Education
Opportunity
Help those who don’t want to give birth not to give birth
Reduce the influence of religion that promotes childbirth and irresponsible family planning
Reduce the influence of pressure to grow in every way that is likely exacerbated by capitalism
And if after all that people still want to have children?
Nature will bring our numbers to sustainable levels if we don’t do it. Nature will not be so kind.
Educate and empower women, and we’ll barely be at replacement levels, so that’s not really a problem.
The real problem, IMHO, is that everything you listed is a threat to one or another structure of power and will likely be opposed by those in power exactly for those reasons.
Yeah, this is why we can’t have nice things…
We need to push for a culture that sees the accumulation of power as a threat and those who are greedy for power and control as outright sick.
We need to re-discover and develop ways to organize ourselves that do not rely on a hierarchy, on having rulers.
We need a society where those structures of power that hinder change and self-determination are not seen as inevitable or “natural”, are not seen as the lesser evil, but are seen as THE problem, the next challenge for human ingenuity to overcome.
8 billion plus humans are not sustainable on Earth regardless of how efficient our electrical production is, how cool Tesla’s cars are, or how many people go vegan. Nature will bring our numbers to sustainable levels if we don’t do it. Nature will not be so kind.
I find it funny that those who immediately go to genocide are the ones implying I have the sick mind.
8 billion people is absolutely sustainable, we could support significantly more at a modern standard of living with just the resources we use today. The problem is the way we organise how and where we live, and a parasitic owner class using and abusing vastly more resources than they could ever need.
And if after all that people still want to have children?
Let it try, we’ll see who wins.
@Harrison @kool_newt
Educate and empower women, and we’ll barely be at replacement levels, so that’s not really a problem.
The real problem, IMHO, is that everything you listed is a threat to one or another structure of power and will likely be opposed by those in power exactly for those reasons.
Yeah, this is why we can’t have nice things…
We need to push for a culture that sees the accumulation of power as a threat and those who are greedy for power and control as outright sick.
We need to re-discover and develop ways to organize ourselves that do not rely on a hierarchy, on having rulers.
We need a society where those structures of power that hinder change and self-determination are not seen as inevitable or “natural”, are not seen as the lesser evil, but are seen as THE problem, the next challenge for human ingenuity to overcome.
Are you proposing that we do it? How exactly does reducing the number of humans work, if we do it? Is there any word for this that isn’t “genocide”?
who do you educate? those people will be genocided.
who do you give birth control to? those people will be genocided.
there is no policy you can create and implement that will not disproportionately effect one group over another.
it’s all genocide.
wut?
don’t do genocide
Pretty straightforward. It’s disturbing how hard it is to get people to recognize that reducing human population through human effort is genocide.