The way I read the article, the “worth millions” is the sum of the ransom demand.

The funny part is that the exploit is in the “smart” contract, ya know the thing that the blockchain keeps secure by forbidding any updates or patches.

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        Love how the NFT hype was a big wealth transfer event. So many rich people, like wealthy oil Arabs, bought into the scam and moved so much money into artists pockets while they essentially got nothing in return.

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          Is there any way to confirm this? Or are there examples of artists who made a significant amount of money from NFTs? I understand its potential benefit for artists, but I mostly remember already-rich corporations (e.g. UFC) using them as another way to extract money from consumers.

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            There are curated NFT auction sites where only selected artists are allowed to sell their work. And you can see for how much they sell their pieces. During the hype many sold items for thousands to tens of thousands or more. Also there is Beeple who rode the hype early from the start and he became a millionaire.

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          That’s not really what happened. Some people who had invested in companies that would make money if NFTs went up in value chummed the waters by buying NFTs for huge amounts, convincing a lot of people that NFTs were going to be great investments. Then celebrities with an interest in the scheme pumped up the value too.

          That convinced a lot of idiots to “invest” in NFTs, then eventually the bottom fell out of the market.

          As for artists, some made some money, but most of the money went into shit like “bored apes” which were algorithmically generated.

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          My favorite is Murakami, who after selling NFTs he made paintings after all all of them. So which one is the “original”? The actual physical painting, or the digital NFT?

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            Technically, the NFT. In reality, the physical. Is a lot harder to brag about your art assets if you have to log into your pc to show them off.

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        I do see potential use for them, but not in the way they are currently being used. I could see uses like door keys, tickets, memberships, etc being of practical value, but not stupid little pictures.

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            Besides the obvious of your door lock needing to be connected to the internet, and that could be a problem, what else do you see as being an issue with using it for door keys?

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              Another question is: why would you need it for a key?

              Long-established public/private keys and signatures are used in this way all the time to control access to servers around the world. No blockchain needed. Blockchain is helpful when we all need to agree on a series of events.

              Homes are a nice example of where you can have an isolated system which knows what it needs to about you (e.g. a public key) without sharing or cross-checking anything with the world.

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                  That isn’t required for a key. What if I want to let my family member access the house tomorrow while I’m out? Do I have to sell it to them?

                  The key/lock relationship is not connected to ownership. Ownership could be connected to the ability to issue new keys, but even then the ownership doesn’t need to be logged in a blockchain for that - it can simply be signed by a key held by the land registry.

                  If you want to make an argument for using blockchains for the land registry then… go ahead, but it’s another discussion with a whole different set of arguments.

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              How exactly would that work? Keep in mind that the blockchain is by necessity not secret.

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                Right, but all the lock is doing is checking whether you own the NFT or not. If your house was in NFT, people could see that you bought a house, but not where it was as long as it was generic like house #40000

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                  all the lock is doing is checking whether you own the NFT or not.

                  So, you’d need a method to verify who “you” are. And once again we’ve come up with a way to use NFTs that actually works better without NFTs.

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                  How would that work in reality, how would the lock know that the NFT in question is the actual legal ownership of the house?

                  The only way to guarantee that is to change the law that deeds of houses can only be an NFT.

                  Otherwise someone could sell a house on paper, but retain the NFT to have access to the house.

                  An NFT lock would also have the following problems, excluding the trust of ownership in the real world.

                  Power to the lock is required, if your backup battery is dead then you might be locked out during a power cut.

                  Internet access is required, during a powercut your router will probably die as well, so even if a battery backup is working, you’d still be locked out.

                  Your ISP could have service interruptions, no internet, no access to the latest blockchain updates, meaning that the lock can’t trust that you actually have ownership/access, that would be an insanely easy way to hack the lock.

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                    The only way to guarantee that is to change the law that deeds of houses can only be an NFT.

                    Which means that sovereign states would have to agree to no longer be the authority of who owned property, instead they’d just have to hand over all that authority to some distributed database. What’s in it for them? What’s in it for the people?

                    If the authority on who owns a home is a blockchain, then what happens if someone shows up at the police station, bruised and bleeding, and claims that they were tortured until they agreed to sign over the deed to their house. In the real world, the police (or at least the courts) would have authority over that deal, and if their investigation proved that someone was in fact tortured, it would mean it’s not a legitimate sale, and the ownership reverts to the original person. But, if “blockchain”, the police and courts have no authority. What’s on the blockchain is law.

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                    I can’t really address the first part about selling the house on paper and not transferring the NFT.

                    I figure this thing would have cellular access as well as Wi-Fi. So if your Wi-Fi was to go down, then the cell network would be used instead. And those generally use different ISPs for fiber and often get restored first or dont go down at all since they are commercial contracts. In the event of a total internet cut, it is well known that a house does not change ownership very often, so the lock could be programmed to not accept any new keys for a period like a day. The lock would accept only the old key during that time like a cooldown period

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          I thought of it as a good way for artists to earn a living by more tokenized artworks, but then it gets hijacked by this shit.

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          Just like with everything else, all those things you suggested are already done much more reliably without NFTs.

          If you still want to see a more “pratical” use of it, look no further than Decentraland, where it’s used as “ownership” of digital “land” and other “goods”.

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          I think of it like timeshare values. They’re really high …. Until you try to find someone who will actually buy it

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            The person talking out of their ass is voted up.

            The person bringing up facts is voted down.

            The person posting dismissive nonsense is voted up.

            Gross.

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              The only person providing any sources here would put that $5.5b market cap (if it’s accurate) at 1/4 of what it was two years ago.

              That’s one hell of a crash and burn.

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          The vast majority of NFTs are worthless now

          “MacContract on Ethereum has a floor price of $13,234,204.2, but its all-time sales is only $18,” the report said, adding: “This stark discrepancy between listed floor prices and actual sales data exposes a significant issue in the NFT market – inflated valuations that don’t reflect genuine buyer interest or real-world transactions.

          “It becomes clear that a significant portion of the NFT market is characterized by speculative and hopeful pricing strategies that are far removed from the actual trading history of these assets,” it said.

          And this is a report from a crypto website with a vested interest in pretending crypto has uses.

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            Those are the transactions that are actually happening.

            I’m sure there are lots of transactions that aren’t happening because people have given up, and decided that a 99.9% loss in value is basically a 100% loss in value, so they’ve just walked away.

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            Its hard to be definitive, especially from one data point, but theres no doubt that lots of NFTs are just copycats trying to ride the coattails of other succesful projects, and end up flooding the market with garbage.

            But that doesnt mean all projects are garbage, nor that the tech is bad or unutilized.

            I had a feeling id get flamed by even mentioning NFTs, so im not surprised a the downvotes or derision. Anyways, have a good one 😃

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        Better than the current money laundering techniques? Using art appraisals to inflate assets and move dirty money, or straight up using banks like Deutsche or Credit Suisse (RIP) to move dirty money?

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          I mean yeah, it’s better to launder money using a difficult to trace digital ledger. But no, the things you mentioned won’t go away, because there’s also money in the laundering, and double dipping is the name of the game

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        Mmm, considering NFTs are all on transparent blockchains, I don’t know that I would choose that particular method to accomplish that.

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          The transparency is the feature that makes it great. I can buy drugs or whatever, and exchange you buy an NFT from me of equal value. Now when the bank comes and says “where did this >$15k transaction come from?” I can point to the blockchain and say that I sold my fancy monkey pic.

          This has been a thing in the physical art world for a while, https://complyadvantage.com/insights/art-money-laundering/, this just made it easier.

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            Yeah, I know it’s happened for a while, but my big question would be why are you having to put your money back in the bank instead of leaving it on a blockchain such as Monero. The dollar is about the biggest scam around along with all other government fiat currencies.

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              Because sometimes even criminals need to buy things that aren’t illegal, I guess. And the legitimate people who have those things don’t want to play games dealing with fake internet money.

              If I want to buy a jetski, the place I buy it from isn’t going to take crypto because the people that sell the parts for it don’t take crypto and the people who build it can’t pay for food in crypto.

              Crypto is only useful for rug pull scams, money laundering, and black-market transactions. It’s real innovation is undoing centuries of banking regulations so that people can learn the hard way why all those regulations exist.

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                Because sometimes even criminals need to buy things that aren’t illegal

                Money has value basically because people need to pay taxes. The shop owner sells things for Euros or USD partially because eventually at the end of the year they need to turn over Euros or USD to the government as taxes. If they sold things for bitcoins, they’d eventually have to convert those bitcoins to USD to pay taxes.

                Other than speculation, the only reason bitcoin has any value is that sometimes people need to pay ransomware ransoms. That means they need to buy bitcoin somehow. And, even the criminals who receive that bitcoin will launder it and change it back into real assets because it’s not useful to them as bitcoin. Eliminate ransomware and suddenly the only value for bitcoin is people who hold it hoping there’s a greater fool out there who will buy it from them for more than they paid.

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                For now, sure. However, i will say that i have been buying food woth crypto for over a year now and havent starved yet. And if i wanted a jetski and wanted to pay in crypto i could do so. Fundamentally, crypto and banking are two totally different things because with a bank somebody holds your money. With crypto, you hold your money.

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                  With crypto, you hold your own money

                  You own a cryptographic key that a bunch of strangers have decided points to a spot on a ledger. These strangers have no legal connection to you, but things have been working out pretty well so far because your incentives align.

                  As a bunch of Ledger owners are finding out, there are reasons for FDIC insurance of banks and that reason is so that people don’t have to be exposed to the dangers of storing all their money under their mattresses. Everyone recommends getting your crypto into a hardwallet, but what happens when a Ledger update bricks it? Or the company decides to backdoor it to escrow your “private” keys? And what can you do with those hardwallet funds besides HODL? Can you imagine if every time you wanted to spend part of your dirty fiat savings, you had to expose all of it to danger to do so?

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                    As a bunch of Ledger owners are finding out, there are reasons for FDIC insurance of banks and that reason is so that people don’t have to be exposed to the dangers of storing all their money under their mattresses

                    The FDIC is a scam. If JPMorgan or Wells Fargo failed they would not have enough to cover the loss. In fact they only hold ~2% of what they insure which would leave 98% of people with nothing. The only reason the FDIC is not bankrupt is because a cascade of banks have not failed all at once

                    what happens when a Ledger update bricks it?

                    The recent incident was a software supply chain attack. I am not aware of a bricked update but thats not saying much since i dont follow them closely

                    the company decides to backdoor it to escrow your “private” keys?

                    You lose all trust in them as you should and no longer use their products.

                    what can you do with those hardwallet funds besides HODL?

                    That is the point of a hardware wallet to hold your funds securely until you want to use them.

                    expose all of it to danger to do so?

                    Your hardware wallet acts as savings and use a hot wallet as a spend account with less money in it.

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                    They don’t hold my money. I use them as they are supposed to be used. I get in, exchange my crypto, and then immediately withdraw it. They are not meant to hold your money. And true crypto people don’t let them hold their money.

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              why are you having to put your money back in the bank instead of leaving it on a blockchain such as Monero.

              Because my mortgage company, supermarket and power company only take real money.

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                The mortgage I could see being a problem. As for groceries and power, I can pay for those with crypto.

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                  If you really believe crypto is the future, you would have converted all your money to the blockchain.

                  Since you say you can buy everything with it.

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              Good and services are still primarily purchased with fiat in most of the world. You need to be able to actually use it for it to be useful, so whether or not blockchain is theoretically better doesn’t matter there if there isn’t wide enough adoption.

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                True, thanks to the internet if the good is not immediately available in my local area for crypto i can order it online and have it delivered. Depending on exactly what the service is makes that an option too.

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                  Must be nice to be rich.

                  Plenty of us can’t afford to order groceries to be delivered and Aldi sure doesn’t accept Bitcoin.

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                    Ever heard of instacart? They dont accept crypto, but you can buy their giftcards with crypto, order your aldi groceries, and go pick them up. Thats what i do anyway

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              Hahahahahahaha!

              I’m being serious when I say this: you don’t understand what you’re talking about. I know that’s dismissive, and I’m sorry.

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      Those who buy art and pack it in a safe until it’s worth more?

      Im glad that doesn’t work as well in digital.