Under this undemocratic system dominated by the two parties of Wall Street, alternative candidates like Claudia and Karina are unjustly excluded from the polls, debates, and most mainstream coverage. But thanks to the tireless work of thousands of volunteers, we’re breaking through the obstacles!
They wait for the last week to give her air time, that tracks.
And they wouldn’t have if people were not agitating for their inclusion.
The Dems were doing everything they could to keep her off the ballots too. It’s really despicable.
It’s called Democracy™️ sweety! If you don’t like it move to Cuba.
Which is this telegram channel? Can you please share the link?
It was in one of their emails recently: https://t.me/+YWNVqcBSEswwMTk5
So if they get a decent amount of votes but won’t win, will they gain something? Parliament seats (or the US equivalent) or any kind of exposure?
If they get 5% of the votes, they win federal funding.
Jill Stein, CDlC and Cornel not figure out how to make 1 of them the candidate is kinda disappointing ngl. Could probably win a district or a few with some anti war unity
You assume that Cornel is not a spoiler and a sheep-dog? He’s an anti-communist who thinks Reagan was great for destroying the USSR and I believe buys into the China hate and atrocity propaganda. Anyone who helps spread the current imperialist propaganda which does the consent for war against China like him is not an ally but an enemy. Fuck his weak, liberal “brother”/“sister” preacher bullshit. He calls white supremacists brother too, he calls arch reactionaries brother too, because to a Christian like him they are brothers and class and material interests don’t matter. Systems don’t matter.
There’s a reason they killed Malcolm, King, Hampton but left this guy alive and give him TV appearances and that’s because he’s a false consciousness preacher. He has a fetish for defeat, he is the type of person talked about in “Western Marxism, the fetish for defeat and Christian culture”.
Jill Stein is also not a Marxist and winning a single district with some anti-war unity ticket wouldn’t do anything. We vote for Marxists here because we aim to raise consciousness. A single person winning a district can’t even slow the war machine so it’s pointless if they’re just another liberal whose voice will be drowned out by the sea of propaganda and reality invention which will push for the next conflict. Being smugly right after the fact 15 years later does jack shit because they’ll be out of office by then and will have stood for nothing but their own name and vague anti-war-ism that can’t latch onto the public consciousness or provide explanatory power like a Marxist candidate can.
Not to be confused with Socialist Alternative the Trot party.
What is it with trots and naming their parties Socialist Alternative?
Because they want an alternative to socialism, that’s why so many of them become neocons.
Isn’t voting entirely restricted to electoral delegates? What’s the point in agitating for voting?
Its about sending a message.Is this a joke?
Mostly.
Is the message not understanding how first-past-the-post voting works?
You think I’m engaging in electoralism under the false notion that anyone elected within it could implement fundamentally revolutionary change? I’d have to be real fucking stupid to believe that.
What I do believe is that the non voting public is not ideologically aligned. Their lack of participation signals nothing to the actors within that system. The media does nothing to cover the thinking of this group or why they exist, and ultimately come to zero material conclusions when they do. The two parties spend zero dollars trying to activate these voters. They mean nothing, they impact nothing, they are invisible.
So why should I cast myself in with this lot? It took me 20min to early vote for an explicitly socialist candidate. A socialist candidate who had Democratic lawyers remove them from ballots in battle ground states. If spending 20min once every 4 years encourages Democrats to waste their time and money, that’s good enough for me.
I don’t have time to contribute to PSL and I already donate when I can. Casting them a vote, is more then nothing.
Don’t assume my participation is coming from a place of idealism.
This is, for better or worse, a reductionist view.
Reductionist how?
What I do believe is that the non voting public is not ideologically aligned. Their lack of participation signals nothing to the actors within that system.
Your vote outside of the two-party system is effectively the same as a non-vote. That is the disconnect.
No one is looking at third party votes and seeing anything of substance. It will always look like a misunderstanding of the system.
The reductionism is the belief that vote == vote. It does not, and that means there is an extra step between vote and change. If you want change, which you should, you should also understand the limits of the system in place. To not do so is to allow it to continue on its path.
Edit: purely true only for the US system. Most voting systems have moved beyond this limitation. But we cannot ignore the limitation for ideology.
No one is looking at third party votes and seeing anything of substance. It will always look like a misunderstanding of the system.
This is itself a reductionist statement though. Who exactly is “no one”? Surely you are not saying every single person tapped into US politics has a monolithic view of third party voting.
I would argue, in fact, that you are circling around something like a learned helplessness point of view in this regard. First, it is important to acknowledge that we can expect with relative certainty that bourgeois electoralism is not going to change the system on its own because the state has a monopoly on violence and because it is capable of using that violence where necessary to crush opposition, if the opposition does not have a vanguard. With that out of the way, we are talking about something more analogous to an ocean than we are talking about a series of if/else statements in a computer program. It is not binary that third party vote is either meaningful change or utterly useless. It is not even binary that bourgeois elections are either useless to participate in or are going to bring about revolution as soon as you knock on enough doors. There are gradations of how these things are interpreted by the public and what impact they can have. And what I mean by learned helplessness is that there’s a certain self-fulfilling prophecy if you take the belief too far. “Third party voting has no impact, therefore we won’t do it; which means no one is voting third party, which of course means it has no impact.”
The imperialists are not omniscient with infinite resources and knocking on their doors with domestic efforts that, even if only the bare minimum impact, give them a bit of a headache, is still better than nothing. We can compare it to an individual if that makes it clearer. If I’m trying to focus on driver and I have a screaming child in one ear and music blasting in another, while rain is pouring down, the chances are much higher I’m going to get in an accident. I can only pay attention to so much.
Now if you can demonstrate that things such as this are actually having zero impact (hard to believe), that they are not helping raise consciousness at all, that they are not helping organize anyone, that they are not giving the imperialists and local capitalists a headache at all, then sure, it might actually be a waste of effort. But like it or not, electoralism seems to be one of the few consistent vehicles for rallying and organizing people in the US, perhaps because of how many people view it as a legitimate and essential part of the system. That doesn’t mean you have to stop at elections. It just means that using it as a vehicle might help. And third parties appear to be a means of reaching out to people who are disenfranchised with the status quo, who still believe enough in the current electoralism to follow the political spectacle, but are also burned enough by the two party system to listen to the message of an alternative and build ties with them. That’s an opportunity for an in, right there. Something that isn’t so easy with people who are democrat or republican loyalists.
Your vote outside of the two-party system is effectively the same as a non-vote. That is the disconnect. No one is looking at third party votes and seeing anything of substance. It will always look like a misunderstanding of the system.
The Democrats spend money slandering 3rd parties and attempting to remove them from ballots. That’s a material impact on the election, even if a small one, it proves that they are threatened by them.
The reductionism is the belief that vote == vote. It does not,
Care to elaborate?
If you want change, which you should, you should also understand the limits of the system in place. To not do so is to allow it to continue on its path.
Did I say I vote for change? I said its about sending a message. Change doesn’t happen at a ballot box in the capitalist system. A Maoist will tell you change flows from the barrel of a gun. Marxist-Leninists will tell you change comes from rising class consciousness. Neither would tell you it comes from voting.
The media will have to ask, where did the votes go? They will want to mine that question for content. Jill Stine, she’s a known quantity. “Who is Claudia De La Cruz?”, “Who are the PSL?” are eventually questions they will have to ask. This contradiction only generates more attention to 3rd parties. The more attention they have, the more eyes see them. The more eyes see them, the more people are exposed to alternatives. Which only results in more than zero percent of those eyes pealing away from the two parties.
PSLs goal isn’t electoral victory. Its clear though they understand that the election process, as a whole process, is driven by spectacle, and it will pull you in front of media if you are becoming too much of a threat within that system. This only exposes people to PSL and their movement.
This is an incremental process, a small part of a longer strategy of engagement and activism.
