• dragontamer@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    207·
    6 days ago

    I realize that this is a very hot political season. Its impossible to keep a “good vibes” feel with this year’s election politics, so I’m not asking for “Don’t be an Ass” or other such naive statement. But please try to be on your best behavior. This is “BestOfLemmy”, and not a political debate site.

    I’ve nuked a couple of subthreads that have gotten too hot. Please report anything you think is unhelpful to the greater discussion. I’ll remove distracting posts as I see them, but I don’t promise “good moderation” here. I’m just gonna cleanup what I can see and when I see it.

    The general rule for “BestOfLemmy” is to be an appropriate place for a Lemmy beginner to get a feel of Lemmy in general. Yall are somewhat forgiven for the heated topic, but its not a complete pass. Try to keep the perspective of “newbies to Lemmy are stopping by here first”. And think about how you’d like to present yourself to them.

    This is my guiding principle for moderation. This isn’t a debate subsite, or debate community. I’m not necessarily interested in having everyone here complete their back-and-forth discussion (especially if it gets heated, swear words, accusatory tones, etc. etc.).

    • gravityowl@lemm.eeEnglish
      1222·
      5 days ago

      So to you, the best of Lemmy is “vote for my candidate or you’re a traitor”? And ON TOP OF THAT, you want people to accept it or get their comment deleted? What kind of reasoning is that? You could just remove such an obviously inflammatory post instead of acting in such way. Especially since you literally admitted this is not to encourage a conversation or a debate:

      This isn’t a debate subsite, or debate community. I’m not necessarily interested in having everyone here complete their back-and-forth discussion (especially if it gets heated, swear words, accusatory tones, etc. etc.).

      I’m sure new users will love to see this kind of behavior by the mods of this community

      • dragontamer@lemmy.worldMEnglish
        73·
        5 days ago

        I’m deleting the worst of posts that have degenerated into just two members insulting each other over and over again.

        You can see the topic is mostly open for your discussion. Just don’t make your posts devolve into useless bullshit and I’ll keep the posts up.

        I know it’s careful balance and it’s basically impossible to get it correct on political topics. But I’ll do my best.

        I’m simply being honest here. I’m not going to let 5+ posts of insults just stay around here. But this is also a topic with literally hundreds of comments so I’ll be making mistakes as a moderator.

        I’m not passing out bans here, yet anyway. I’m just deleting posts that have gone off the rails (as well as the threads / earlier posts that led to overheated discussion).

        • literally_a_dog@lemm.eeEnglish
          15·
          5 days ago

          It’s my second day on lemmy. I came from Reddit because their moderation is so careless.

          I am so tired of moderators using their power to police discussions, rather than keep people safe. Anyone can walk away from an argument at any time; you’re not protecting them from that. In fact, what you’re doing is silencing them at a time when they’re frustrated and have no where else to vent. They come here because they need to get it out.

          I’m going to start looking for another platform. People like you are the reason I left Reddit.

          • dragontamer@lemmy.worldMEnglish
            1·
            5 days ago

            Its almost as if the system of unpaid volunteer moderators has its limits.

            I’m here on Lemmy because as limited as the system of unpaid volunteer moderators is… its better than the CEO of Reddit who has begun to influence the discussion from the top down. If there is a system of unpaid volunteer moderators, at least they should be supported. And Lemmy seems to be place for that.

      • Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        75·
        5 days ago

        “vote for my candidate or you’re a traitor”?

        More like, vote against the conservative-fascist coalition if you don’t want the US destroyed. If you’re skeptical, we can open up any history book and read about how the German conservative-fascist ruling coalition of the 1930s turned out.

        • gravityowl@lemm.eeEnglish
          52·
          5 days ago

          I’m not skeptical. I know exactly what I said and your paternalistic tone is not necessary. You’re not the only one who heard of the Nazi, you know? We are all very aware.

          It’s not even about the post itself (even though it’s an extremely low effort screenshot). It’s about the fact that, a community that is supposed to showcase the best of Lemmy, is:

          1. Proudly showing that this kind of post is supposed to represent Lemmy, which would be sad
          2. Moderated by someone who legitimately is defending such low effort memes (and honestly mentality) without even pretending that it’s for the sake of engaging in a conversation.

          It’s literally just a screenshot of a comment with 4 upvotes that is proudly saying “follow my reasoning and stfu. Otherwise you hate your country”. And the mod is in the comments saying “yeah, agree with this and myself or I’ll delete your comment. I might ban you too depending on how I feel. After all, this is not a conversation”.

          And you can tell this is exactly what is happening because every single user that is pointing out how hypocritical and low effort this is, is getting downvoted to hell and called a fascist. And keep in mind, you don’t even know how I’m going to vote in all of this. You and most users here are just attacking other users because they are voicing a different opion than “vote for Harris or you’re a traitor”…Now THAT is truly the best of Lemmy: mindlessly downvoting and replying with a snarky joke.

          • dragontamer@lemmy.worldMEnglish
            2·
            5 days ago

            Part of the reason why I nuked entire discussions is because its an effective way to stop the downvoting, dogpiling, and snarkiness. I’m doing what I can here. Its a big topic, I’m not going to be here all day and I’m the only moderator. I’m ultimately going to have to trust all of you to be on better behavior when I leave to do my things today.

            Real talk. I’m trying to set up the conditions for this thread to work out even in my limited absences. I cannot promise prompt deletions or even “fairness” in these circumstances. Chances are, I’m going to come back and there’s going to be 5 hours of back-and-forth trash, downvoting, yadda yadda. I’m not an idiot, I can see and 100% expect that this will happen. When that happens, I’ll have no choice but to delete the whole sub-discussion, starting from the moment it got heated.

            And yet, this topic isn’t breaking any rule that I’ve set up ahead of time. And I’m not seeing it as such a massive problem that I need to invent a new rule to specifically nuke this particular topic. I’ve listed out my reasoning for the two rules of this community already. If you want to argue on the basis of those rules (or alternatively, if you want to propose a 3rd rule to be added), I’m willing to meta-discuss the rules with you here.

            But don’t take my “delete comment” movements for something else. Lemmy has very few tools for moderation. On other forums, I would have edited yall’s posts rather than delete them outright. I’m forced to delete because its against Lemmy’s philosophy to allow moderator-edits to posts.

            I’m not trying to make you feel bad with the “delete comment”. Its just honestly the smallest bit of action I can do on Lemmy. I’m not trying to threaten you, I’m not trying to cause anyone any kind of grief. I get it, its a political topic and you have opinions you want to get out. So talk, get them out. I’ll do what I can to keep the best of the discussions up but I’ll also be deleting the dogpiles as they come up.

    • PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.eeEnglish
      1230·
      5 days ago

      The general rule for “BestOfLemmy” is to be an appropriate place for a Lemmy beginner to get a feel of Lemmy in general. Yall are somewhat forgiven for the heated topic, but its not a complete pass. Try to keep the perspective of “newbies to Lemmy are stopping by here first”. And think about how you’d like to present yourself to them.

      This is what you want new people to see? “vote for my candidate or you hate America”? Propaganda bullshit? I’m sure I’ll write in a candidates name as I do every four years as, once again, neither major party is worthy of my vote, but the arrogance of people like you makes me want to vote for Trump out of spite.

  • RogueBanana@lemmy.zipEnglish
    552·
    6 days ago

    Idk who nuxcom is but is this really a contender for best of Lemmy? You see the same comment in every other post so is this person that special or do we have a slow day?

    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zipEnglish
      234·
      6 days ago

      My vote is very much on slow day and, given a choice, would nuke this thread entirely, if that helps.

      If folk MUST steal other’s work, at least pick something that is semi-uniquely them and not literally a post made while taking a shit.

      • JimmyBigSausage@lemm.eeOPEnglish
        86·
        6 days ago

        Actually I was eating cereal but just liked how you put it. Sorry if I offended by reposting. Felt it was a compliment.

        • dragontamer@lemmy.worldMEnglish
          23·
          5 days ago

          Yeah, this is what I’m here to protect. “BestOfLemmy” isn’t a political channel. But it is a manual curation and manual sharing community.

          The idea that you like a post and feel like that’s enough to share is what I’d like to encourage. It gets weird with politics because now others are less inclined to post here because of this post however. But if the priority is to encourage posts and sharing here, I cannot delete a topic like this that was posted in good faith.

          Its not like I’ll accept all topics of political nature either, but given how close we are to the election it makes sense why you’d be thinking about this right now.

    • dragontamer@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      63·
      6 days ago

      There are two rules currently written for “BestOfLemmy”, and they are:

      1. Manual Curation – If someone thinks its best-of material, it is allowed here.

      2. Newbie to Lemmy perspective – Posts should be beneficial to new Lemmy users. I’ll ban topics on a case-by-case basis that violate this (ex: deep server vs server feuds or other “community vs community drama” topics).

      From #1: The poster clearly thinks its worth sharing, so it deserves a topic. That’s sufficient. For #2: it is a very political season (with only days remaining before the USA’s voting days), so I think most people looking into Lemmy here would forgive us for a politically charged topic like this.

      I evaluate that this topic was posted in good faith, and that newbies would accept such a topic here. So that’s why it stays.

      From a “BestOf” perspective: my main problem with the post is that it links to a picture of the post, rather than the original topic and the original discussion that created this particular post. I might make a rule against image-posts (ie: do not make unnecessary screenshots. Prefer to link to various topics and other discussions on Lemmy. Screenshots are counterproductive to the greater Lemmy community).

      • RogueBanana@lemmy.zipEnglish
        51·
        6 days ago

        I don’t disagree with the point but I have seen the same comment more than 100 times here lol. But I can see where you are coming from.

  • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    4816·
    6 days ago

    “If you don’t vote Harris, you hate America”

    Great way to convince the folks at hexbear and .ml to vote Trump

    • m_f@midwest.socialEnglish
      749·
      6 days ago

      They weren’t going to vote for Harris anyways. If she magically brought peace to the middle east tomorrow, they’d find some other reason to not vote for her.

    • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
      249·
      6 days ago

      As if anyone of them is old enough to vote. They sound like 14 at most.

    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      145·
      6 days ago

      I mean basically everyone except usamericans somewhat hates the US. Its like a love hate relationship. Cant live with them, cant live without them.

    • madjo@feddit.nlEnglish
      4·
      5 days ago

      “see what you made me do? You made me do the exact opposite of what you’re asking me to do.”

      Yeah, nah, bro, that’s not how this works. They were already going to vote Trump, no matter what.

    • MisterScruffy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      5 days ago

      Refusing to vote for Harris and actually voting for Trump are 2 different things, I know you can make the argument that both lead to the same outcome but they are 2 different choices

  • pyrflie@lemm.eeEnglish
    183·
    6 days ago

    Yep voting against Harris is voting against the US. The problem is the US has failed a lot of people. And they don’t care, this argument is an endorsement. People on the Left need to be prepared for what is coming.

  • LotrOrc@lemmy.worldEnglish
    93·
    6 days ago

    Yeah the constitution totally doesn’t need a rewrite or a few extra amendments thrown in

    • MisterScruffy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      5 days ago

      It needs to be thrown out and restarted from scratch. The status quo is not good, it is very bad and I’m suspicious of anyone who defends it

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    31·
    5 days ago

    Personally I don’t think it’s helpful to treat a slavers’ pact like how some people treat the bible.

    I couldn’t give less of a turd about a constitution, especially one that’s been the source of endless oppression and genocide. It’s a fundamental reason why the usa is such a trash heap.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

    • TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      104·
      6 days ago

      I agree, and it’s complete bullshit.

      But I’m going to vote for “genocide and some safety for my Trans and female friends” over “more genocide, gay bashing, and forced birthing”. It’s our only two choices until there is either a change in the voting system, or better yet, a revolution.

      • مهما طال الليل@lemm.eeEnglish
        10·
        6 days ago

        I respect this even if I don’t agree with it. If you believe voting for Harris is harm reduction then you have to and it is a moral imperative. So I do understand and empathize with people who are honest about how the Democrats are failing but still see critical issues like democracy, gender equality and rights, and the environment better handled by them.

        However I believe this hope and faith is misplaced. But I realized this after 6 presidential elections, so I don’t dare to deny you your own experience and personal growth. In 2020 I still had hopes that the border detention will be over if we just get Trump and his racist goons out. The border camps are still here…

        Somehow it feels like the government is on autopilot and the only thing elections change is the intensity.

        • TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          71·
          6 days ago

          I appreciate the respect and I can assure you that it is mutual. I can completely understand where you are coming from, and your stance. “Harm reduction”, is a good way to put it, because that’s all it really feels like. It doesn’t feel good to feign support for a regime that supports such atrocities, but here I am thanks to our joke of a system.

      • مهما طال الليل@lemm.eeEnglish
        116·
        6 days ago

        And Biden did what to stop them over the past 12 months? Vetoed UN ceasefire twice, vetoed Palestinian statehood, sent thousands of tons of weapons to Israel despite knowing they break international law and have blocked aid entry to civilians, and now is helping Israel invade Lebanon and strike Iran. Trump is saying it but Biden is doing it now.

        Whose fault is it that the genocide continued for a year and might be inherited by Trump? In the end we find out that in 2023 Biden is as bloodthirsty as he was in 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon.

        • Zement@feddit.nlEnglish
          78·
          6 days ago

          Trump assassinated Solemani. That was the starting point.

          We both agree on “genocide bad” so why do you make a difference if it’s done by Biden or trump or Harris?

          I think you hope for the destabilization of the USA and their downfall, which is totally legit as you seem to be from the Middle East. But don’t veil your intentions by hiding behind bogus arguments, defending Trump as the better choice. He isn’t, only for religious extremists who want to command the private lifes of others… oh wait, that’s basically extremist Muslims or Project 2024 Christians. Ahh… now I understand! SORRY… you are 100% correct from your perspective.

          • مهما طال الليل@lemm.eeEnglish
            101·
            6 days ago

            I never defended Trump. In fact you will find that Trump is far less popular than Harris among Arab Americans and Muslim Americans. No Democratic presidential nominee in fact won a majority of white votes since LBJ, not even Clinton in 1992 and 1996. It is white people who mostly support Trump and Republicans. An insignificant minority of Arabs or Muslims not voting for Harris in Michigan or Pennsylvania won’t matter. I’m merely trying to communicate why genocide is a redline for many of us and the Democrats lost many of us. Again it is clear that the DNC isn’t alarmed by losing votes in an insignificant minority of Americans.

            You are assuming too much about me too. I’m not Muslim or religious for example.

              • madjo@feddit.nlEnglish
                3·
                5 days ago

                Dutch guy here, fair assessment.

                Though I did not vote for Wilders. I voted for the animal rights party, because they are against war. Period.

                Sadly, we have a lot of idiots in this country that believe that foreigners are the root cause of all problems, because of years of indoctrination by certain politicians. Which is why the far right won.

      • queermunist she/her@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1334·
        6 days ago

        I voted for Biden because I wanted to stop fascism. I hated America, but I figured the world would suffer from a Trump presidency.

        Then Biden did genocide.

        The world suffers and fascism is already here. You’re just voting for red or blue flavors. Death to America, I won’t do it anymore.

        • BetaBlake@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3012·
          6 days ago

          “I hate genocide - but death to America”

          Gonna assume you’re a troll…which makes me the idiot for commenting

          • queermunist she/her@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1027·
            6 days ago

            The US was founded on settler-colonial genocide. Surely you know Hitler was inspired by the reservations? Read a fucking book.

            • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.worldEnglish
              147·
              6 days ago

              You’re right but you’re still an asshole. If you think Biden was bad, you should know that things can always get worse. It’s entirely likely that Trump starts a war with Iran alongside Israel and surrenders Ukraine to Russia. Him using nukes is on the table too. It’s too big a risk. That’s where we are at. Risk minimization.

              • queermunist she/her@lemmy.mlEnglish
                914·
                6 days ago

                Biden is already helping Israel aggress against Iran! They’re the most violent state in the region and the US is enabling their ability to start WW3 by provoking all their neighbors. It’s already a regional war and it’s going to get worse no matter who is elected.

                As for Ukraine, we could have already had a negotiated peace deal. Instead, Biden and the Democrats want to fight to the last Ukrainian and so they sabotaged peace talks and blew up the Nord Stream Pipeline. They have no one to blame but themselves for the current situation in Ukraine, and it’s their fault that Ukraine will be in an even worse position when Trump steals the election.

                They never wanted Ukraine to win anyway. The purpose of the war was to let Russia bleed itself of blood and treasure. If they wanted the war to actually end they’d have given Ukraine the support it actually needs, but they would never and will never do that.

                All of that said? If I really though Democrats were the lesser evil I’d vote for them. They’re doing genocide, marching us to WW3, don’t give a shit about meeting our climate goals, and are happy to let Republicans hurt us to help them win over votes. Fuck the Democrats, death to America, and when Trump steals the election you’ll be on my side in the resistance anyway. Why wait?

                • ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  116·
                  6 days ago

                  Trump would make this worse in every respect. Trump can’t steal the election if he loses in a landslide. Votes from people like you could make this happen.

  • peppers_ghost@lemmy.mlEnglish
    2251·
    6 days ago

    I wish we’d get a candidate that didn’t run purely on hey look how shitty trump is. It’s so lazy and barely worked last time.

    • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      627·
      6 days ago

      She has a platform, proposed policies, lots of positive working class messaging, and tons of other stuff.

      She is not only running on look how shitty Trump is. That is just the part that gets attention.

      • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        921·
        6 days ago

        And yet during the q&a she fumbled so hard because all she could say is “Trump bad”, going so far as to avoid every question. Shit like “if you could push anything through the Congress, what would be the one primary issue you would choose?”. Literally there on the plate. But she didn’t answer, instead saying “all of them are important”. She said that Trump’s wall was a good idea. When asked if she’d be for appointing more judges to the Supreme Court, she said she wants to reform it but she doesn’t know how and needs to do research. Of course no change re: Palestine. She even said that now that Sinwar is dead, there will be peace in Palestine. And then she said that people who see Palestine as an important issue will still vote for her because of the price of groceries. And then kept talking about Trump. And then when asked if she would support Israel more than Trump would, she again avoided the question, and again defaulted to “Trump bad”.

      • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.eeEnglish
        911·
        6 days ago

        And yet, when she was served up an easy gimme question at the last town hall debate, she shied away and waffled about bipartisanship.

        CAROL NACKENOFF, POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR AT SWARTHMORE COLLEGE: Good evening… My question is this: if you could accomplish only one major policy goal that required congressional action, what would it be, and why?

        HARRIS: Well, there’s not just one. I have to be honest with you, Carol. There’s a lot of work that needs to happen.

        But let’s – let’s – I think that maybe part of this point that – I how I think about it is we’ve got to get past this era of politics and partisan politics slowing down what we need to do in terms of progress in our country. And that means working across the aisle.

    • BetaBlake@lemmy.worldEnglish
      267·
      6 days ago

      Finding out more about her is very easy, your lack of knowledge does not equal a lack of information

    • SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zipEnglish
      167·
      6 days ago

      This is what happens if your only source of news is Reddit and Lemmy. Just watch any of her extensive interviews and rallies and you will get a whole lot more.