• logicbomb@lemmy.world
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    I’m sure everybody gets the reference, but Junior is referring to reports that Hamas used hang gliders or paragliders during their attack on Israel.

    So, he’s just trying to use a dog whistle here to try to remind Republicans that we should all be afraid of brown people. However, dog whistles are supposed to be subtle, so that the people who it isn’t targeted for, won’t even hear it. He’s so inept at public speaking that he can’t even do that correctly.

    On a personal level, I live in Texas. I really don’t want to have a gun, but if I did buy one, it wouldn’t be out of fear of brown people paragliding into my house. It would be out of fear of white fascist Republicans breaking down my front door.

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      if I did buy one, it wouldn’t be out of fear of brown people paragliding into my house. It would be out of fear of white fascist Republicans breaking down my front door.

      As a Portland resident, that’s a logical fear:

      https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/proud-boys-oath-keepers-antifa-portland-violence-spreading-1224762/

      Members of any at risk group should consider being armed. The police aren’t there to protect you and there have been court cases which ruled they have no obligation to do so.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525280/

      “In a 7–2 opinion, the Supreme Court ruled that due process principles did not create a constitutional right to police protection, despite the existence of a court-issued restraining order.”

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        One thing I know, every liberal gun owner is a marksman. They’ve trained with their firearms and know them fifty times better than a Conservative does.

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            7.62-MM M14 with a walnut stock. Trained with it during my military days but I didn’t take it on deployment. I was stuck with the M16A2 in Afghanistan and M4 carbine in Iraq.

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              I had someone not believe me when I told them they still issued M16s in Iraq and Afghanistan.

              “Wikipedia told me they switched to the M4 entirely!?!?”

              Yeah, okay bud, just like they’re going to be using nothing but the M5 in another decade.

              Or two…

              Or three.

              I bet you could get issued a M1 under the right circumstances.

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                People who don’t know how deep military warehouses go. Wouldn’t surprise me if there weren’t some WWI field phones floating around somewhere.

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              Nice! Mine’s a Henry in .45-70 Government. Good for most big game in North America. Marlin briefly had theirs rated for T-Rex as a cross promo for Jurassic World. LOL.

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              Oh, it’s a big damn table. LOL.

              It’s a normal sized rifle, it’s not a cannon or anything. Spec sheet has it at 38.1" (96.77cm) with a 19.8" (50.3cm) barrel. Weighs just over 7 pounds unloaded.

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      Yes Don Jr is right that we should have guns generally, but more because of what his dad’s cult is doing.

      Don’t ever believe that any gun control laws will disarm those guys. It’s way too easy to hide guns and ammo, and there are hundreds of millions of them all over the country.

      So it’s best to have it and not need it, rather than needing it and not having it. Because they are going to have it anyway.

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        Don’t ever believe that any gun control laws will disarm those guys.

        Even if this is true, counterintuitively, gun control laws will still work. We’ve seen this exact thing in Australia. (Which admittedly is easier to do because it’s an island)

        What happens is that guns become more rare, and yes, only bad guys and cops have access to guns, however, because guns are rare, it’s much harder even for bad guys to get more guns. Guns become much more valuable, and as they’re valuable, bad guys will become reluctant to use them unless the reward is great. If you take a $1000 gun to rob $50 from a 7-11, and if you get caught, you’re losing $950. You’re way better off just using a knife or something, and then you can sell the gun.

        So even if only bad guys have guns, guns are still used in fewer crimes. Everybody gets safer, little by little. Eventually, they’re only going to use guns for crimes with huge payoffs. And they were going to do that, anyways, even if there weren’t gun control laws.

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          You’re more likely to injury or kill yourself or family than an intruder, so there’s that too.

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            That’s why I’d like a gun collective. They’re kept access controlled, and have a range and an ammo loading rig and some cleaning stations and earplugs and stuff. That way not only would I have access to well-maintained guns and ammo in a SHTF scenario, but I’d also have a place to get good without keeping them at home.

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                  Oregon seems like a place that would exist. I have no evidence whatsoever of it, it just feels right

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              In some places, part of obtaining a firearms license involves being a member of good standing at a range.

              Not in America of course, where pinkie promising you know what you’re doing and won’t leave you gun laying around is good enough.

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              I think you are describing a gun club.

              The preppers never made sense to me. The world ends and you want a weapon. For what? To murder someone over the last loaf of bread? In a disaster the best way to get out of it is to team up with other pool, share and trade resources. My life is much more secure if I am surrounded by people who have enough vs people who don’t.

              What kinda person thinks to themselves “oh the world ends guess I can finally commit all those murders that I wanted to” vs “the world ended let’s start planting some crops and depend on shared resources until then”?

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      It would be out of fear of white fascist Republicans breaking down my front door.

      Legitimate thing to fear. And what are you going to do, call the cops? You’ll just have more of them.

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      It would be out of fear of white fascist Republicans breaking down my front door.

      Who would then execute you on sight. Even if you managed to shoot your way out, sooner or later they’ll find you and kill you.

      Guns don’t work against state violence. By the time you need them, you’ve already lost.

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        As a Texan, a lot of the fascist republicans you run into day to day are not in government. Not federal, not state. Terrified irrational morons who only see through a veil of hate are a real concern.

        They are in your trailer parks and rural areas. In Texas, it would take me less than an hour to go from downtown to rural. In fact, its a straight shot down the interstate.

        Rifles won’t stop a tank. Good luck hitting a bomber. The government, especially in the US, is too numerous and too well equipped. Jim Bob and his inbred son Rusty are much more of a concern and manageable with a rifle.

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          They were armed by the same grossly inadequate gun laws and will use the same “he had a gun” excuse the cops do.

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          Jim Bob and his inbred son Rusty are much more of a concern and manageable with a rifle.

          They’ll be armed the same as you, and will have the initiative, which makes this not an ideal solution.

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        I have a strong belief in my ability to survive without violating my personal ethics. This is one reason why I don’t own a gun today. Like I said, I can only imagine purchasing a gun out of fear, and I don’t have that fear yet.

        As of now, I think myself much safer without a gun.

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      Well I mean we are always hearing about how extreme and radical they are. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see them coming in on skateboards next.

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    The man who shot a bunch of my coworkers had this exact attitude… He was buying guns and “high capacity” magazines because the government was going to be making them illegal. Kinda wish they had, what little it might have done.

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        It’s really sad that “guy shoots up office, kills coworkers with rifle” doesn’t really narrow anything down in the US.

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        I’d rather not - sorry. This bit didn’t really make it into the press though as it wasn’t really part of his stated motive or the motive argued in court by the prosecution. But it was something he didn’t exactly hide.

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    Against an airborne target like hypothetical imaginary Hamas paragliders, I think a shotgun with a light choke would probably be a little more suitable.

    I know! We can hire Dick Cheyney to stand guard for us. He’s great at peppering things with birdshot.

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    When near year’s batch of once-in-100-years extreme weather events comes, you can shoot at the tornado. It won’t stop it, but it will give you a sense of power in your final moments.

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    We’re they all poisoned or something? Is there something in their drinking water that’s making every member of that family get dumber and dumber every day?

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    Please Jesus may the blinds be lifted from eyes of the underclasses, that they might no longer be grifted on.

    The nice people are waiting with hugs.

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      Maybe stop calling poor people underclass, that would help I think. One thing I hate is liberal elitism, it bothers me as a left leaning poor person. I’m not an idiot cause I’m poor

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      I’m 100% against the NRA. I’m a member of the Liberal Gun Owners (LGO) and it’s mission is to educate, inform, and protect American citizens. It doesn’t oppose gun safety, it supports legislation that keeps guns out of the hands of criminals and pushes for lawsuits against gun stores who ignore the law.

      Essentially only a well trained gun owner should operate a fire arm.

      That is opposed to the NRA who want to put guns in the hands of children.

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        These liberal gun-owner organizations are generally right-wing astroturfing fronts or gun manufacturing lobbyists.

        Their goals are twofold: (1) Tap into an unreached market to sell the left more firearms, and (2) to muddy the waters of political discourse, with the worst among them hoping to incite a civil / race war.

        Mass proliferation of firearms in America yields a net-negative to society. If they actually improved society, then the correlate of increased firearm availability and crime/homicide-rates should be inversely proportional. In America, they are anything but. We would be much better off overall tackling this as a supply-side problem and inducing scarcity, combined with select licensing (training and specific purpose, such as farming).

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    I mean, if we want to make up fairy tales… if they really wanted to get us they could just use drones. Good luck shooting one of those down with your guns when it unexpectedly breaks through a window and explodes!