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Between this on Apple TV+ and Netflix cancelling Patriot Act with Hassan Minaj, it seems there is definitely a big issue with profit driven platforms worried about pissing off actual nations by literally just stating facts.
I hope Jon Stewart can do a deal with another platform and make this kind of content again. But I doubt any big names will want to after this.
Where can he go? Haven’t we turned every platform into profit seeking machines. Any places that could have supported this type of media got chocked out long ago.
PBS?
I would love a Jon Stewart PBS tote bag.
Hahah best response
Unless John Oliver is next to get the can, HBO has always been a safe spot for true free speech, and he really pushes the envelope. But they may not have room in their schedule for two shows like his.
Please don’t say those words out loud. That would be a travesty… I get nervous because he has already been doing this show for 9 years next month and that’s kind of getting into show ending territory.
Shows like John Oliver could go 20+ years easily. If he’s happy and making the exact show he wants to make, I don’t see why he wouldn’t keep going. Bill Maher is on season/year 21. And it really can’t be that expensive compared to their other tent poles.
He’s doing it for fun at this point. He can post on Oddysea/Peertube/etc… and be completely out of just about anyone’s jurisdiction.
There are small independent news groups who I’m sure would be happy to have him. They don’t have their own streaming services, but could likely put his videos on their website or YouTube. The big issue is they couldn’t afford Stewart.
It’s not anything new that you feel pushback in media whenever someone attempts to challenge the status quo.
More reason for universal standardized content access with universal type apps, anyoen can create content and distribute it to millions of people. These networks have always been about convenience, which they have a properietary tech on apparantly.
Did you just invent YouTube?
No, they invented html.
Hassan Minaj
Didn’t he have problems with his staff? They complained on twitter iirc.
As usual Jon shows that he is a man of principles. Fuck apple.
Fuck Apple, let the man speak.
This feels like corporate shortsightedness; Apple sees a huge overlap in John Stewart and their own core user base so it seems like an easy win to give him a show that does the investigative journalism that endeared him in the first place. But then he start asking questions about the stock market and poking at potential investors and outside pressure is pushing internal executive conversations that eventually realize the millions they can make by keeping him on the air is nothing compared to the billions lost of investors start pulling out and draining the Apple stock price.
Apple’s only identity at this point is the billions it makes from an over valued stock price. Mr. Stewart threatened it. So capitalism happened.
Oh come on. They’re not preventing him from speaking, they’re choosing to stop putting million$ into a show with someone they no longer want to do business with (for whatever reason; details not clear).
If the show has legs, Stewart will certainly find a new host. Could be a nice catch for one of the other biggies.
Yeah they’re allowing him to speak about only what they deem as “appropriate”. Preventing him from speaking about china is not “letting him speak” as you put it. It also sounds like the reasons for not wanting to do business is pretty clear. Stewart wants to talk about things that apple feels might show them in some not great light, so they can’t have any of that.
He can and will say whatever he wants!
Apple just doesn’t want to fund the show.
Two different things.
This would happen at Amazon or Netflix or Disney, too. Apple’s not special in not wanting to piss off the CCP
eh, wth would netlfix or amazon care what china thinks??
apple has major physical investment in china… thats the conflict of interest here. a media conglomerate changing the story because businessmonies.
Netflix is a bad example, but Amazon and Disney do a lot of business with China. Amazon has e-commerce and web services offerings in china. Also they, like Apple, manufacture a LOT of shit there. Disney is simpler. They want to sell their media in China.
I wonder if this was a Youtube channel he owned… Would google capitulate? Though I can’t imagine it would be worth it for Jon to be on Youtube.
YouTube is blocked in China and most other oppressive regimes. You can definitely find lots of china criticism there.
Yep, and the article says that:
“The show’s cancellation is indicative of the kinds of challenges owners of platforms (like Apple, Amazon, Google, and others) face when they are producing content, too.”
I always remember, when I see Martin Scorsese throw shade at Disney in an interview, that when he made Kundun, the CCP didn’t like it and made Disney restrict distribution of the film. Michael Eisner literally hired Henry Kissinger to do damage control afterwards.
What a badly written article. It’s like an article that had a point that got forgotten 2/3rds through and then just ends. If you’ve read the NYT article, this adds literally zero information. It’s a poorly executed paraphrase.
Won’t someone think of the poor billion dollar corporations!!
Trillion
I cannot even fathom that amount of money.
And it’s trillions. Plural. Imagining one trillion is impossible. Having that same amount more than twice is just… Seems a bit much.
It’s the price of 1 Apple Micro Fiber polishing cloth.
I didn’t watch the show (because I don’t have Apple+) but I’m still really disappointed because he had a podcast companion that I listened to, and the man and his writers and researchers are sharp as fuck. It was so incisive, and I really admired how he was bringing what felt like Eugene Debbs and Studs Terkel levels of socialism but without ever using those words.
I also liked how the show clearly had diverse voices, but it didn’t seem to pander or brag about it.
The Podcast was really really good. I preferred it to the show. I hope he continues to explore that format.
they should just make an AI John Stewart and deep fake the video so they can have all the clout John brings without the potential trouble John’s rational and thoughtful dialogue also brings
God help us if Apple’s Siri team builds AI Jon Stewart.
On a separate note, I just couldn’t get into this show. I love Stewart and watched daily show for years. I found the problem with… Problem was that it had a fear that the content wasn’t good enough to stand on it’s own so there was this constant barrage of quips that frequently fell flat. Maybe the show got better over time (I only caught the first 3 or 4 episodes).
The Daily Show was mostly upbeat and highlighted the absurdity of politics even when they were covering serious topics, so the jokes seemed to flow pretty naturally. In The Problem Jon Stewart would oscillate between serious/morose to a few jokes and back again, it was giving me thematic whiplash and I couldn’t hang with it either. I think Last Week Tonight is The Daily Show’s spiritual successor.
Bummer. Apple has had some of the best streaming content right now. IMHO, it’s what HBO should’ve been. This is definitely puts a black eye on the service for me.
This is definitely puts a black eye on the service for me
Right, forget about all the sweatshops and suicide nets and slave labour. this one is crossing the line.
“but but but everyone does it…”
no shit, Apple normalized it.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Its cancellation sheds some light on the conflict of priorities Apple faces as it leans more into content rather than just selling tools, platforms, and gadgets.
The New York Times article cites “several people with knowledge of the situation,” saying that staffers working on the show were told at the end of the day Thursday that it would not move forward.
Specifically, they claimed Stewart told staffers that Apple execs took issue with planned programming related to both China and artificial intelligence, and noted that with the 2024 US election coming up, there might have been additional opportunities for disagreement then.
Regarding China, Apple execs may have been worried that Stewart’s planned commentary could alienate customers or partners in the country.
Primarily, it uses machine learning to drive things like search suggestions, photography, and palm detection.
The show’s cancellation is indicative of the kinds of challenges owners of platforms (like Apple, Amazon, Google, and others) face when they are producing content, too.
The original article contains 440 words, the summary contains 162 words. Saved 63%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
This is the problem with all modern media. It’s all profit based. It’s all a manipulation scheme to get you to fork over money.
Freedom of the press has evolved into press for sale. It is ironic that we live in a world that is more interconnected than ever before, with anyone able to speak their mind to people across the globe, yet the rich still control the flow of information.
This is why Severance is so fucked
Could Amazon swoop in and hire him? Would be a boss move if they did that.
If there is one company more evil than Apple it’s Amazon. At least the genius bar workers arent forced to piss in bottles and work thru tornados
Yes that’s definitely worse than exploiting slave labour in China for 2 decades, amirite?
Oh you sweet summer child. You think Amazon reviews the supply chain of the products they sell? Unlike apple they get to feign ignorance.
It’s not about good and evil, it’s about relying on someone business-wise or not.
