Decided to give outlook a try cause of good integration on Windows. Uninstalled it the second I saw an ad on my inbox. it even shows up as regular mail and you wouldn’t know it is an ad unless you look closely at the small
Adsign at the corner.Also the new version, which might be beta still, just sends you to a web browser to do shit in. If I wanted to open emails in a web browser in the first place then I’d do that.
I mean, I’m fairly sure the new client is a web wrapper, either electron or some alternative since the actual application has parity with the web version (I use it at work). If it is redirecting you to an actual browser there’s likely something wrong with your configuration.
Since I use the enterprise version there’s no ads whatsoever. I don’t find it particularly good but it’s decent enough.
It is. Most new Microsoft apps are web apps. Though they’re ditching electron for some better web wrappers.
They’re also beginning the process of passing 365/Enterprise Outlook for this new watered down Outlook. Enterprise users are obviously pissed to see “Try the new outlook!” hovering over their regular outlook like a cloud of doom.
The outlook subreddit made a gigantic list of feature imparity. Microsoft has made some feature progress since then in preview. But it’ll suck when they actually release it I’m sure.
well there’s the windows mail app that exists
what?? I’ve had Outlook for years and never saw any ads? Did you download some sketchy cracked version?
The new outlook on windows 11 23H2. And there’s also a subscription model just to remove ads lmao
Windows 23H2?? I’m on windows 11, are you from the future or something? How awful is it on a scale from 9 to 10?
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I might be both
Nah, you made a witty joke (pretend you did if you’ve no idea what’s going on), the other dude is just a jerk.
Of course there is.
Ugh, native ads are the worst! 🤬
Huh, I used to use Outlook in a previous company, it had the old look and that, if I was still using it I’d never thought we would get ads built in there 🫠
It also adds “search with bing” to Android long touch context menu, when using any chromium based browser.
That’s why I’ve set up Outlook on K9.
Second reason is because installing outlook adds Bing search to long press context menu.
https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-outlook-long-press-menu-bing-search/
We are REQUIRED to use outlook at my job, along with all the MS bullshit. I’ve changed my Thunderbird interface to make it look exactly like outlook, synced my calendars, and kept using it for the past year or so. They have no clue. I hate Microsoft with passion, I will spent hours of my free time to find ways to be out of their ecosystem if I need to, and I usually manage to do so.
Cant they see the email domain? Or thunderbird accesses outlook?
AFAIK thunderbird can access outlook.
I honestly don’t know much about how that works. I’ve just managed to sync outlook emails to Thunderbird with the Exchange protocol or something. I get taken to my organisation page once every two weeks or so, for the 2FA, and everything works just fine. I’ll just play dumb if IT ever ask me question but so far so good.
You know we can detect every application you have through tools like Nessus, right? Your IT guys are either morons or they just let you get away with it because it’s easier than hearing people pitch a fit about software they’re not allowed to use.
Both scenarios are fine with me. I don’t care if they’re incompetent or just don’t care, as long as I can use my softwares. But I doubt they would have the time to scan every staff’s laptop to see what applications we use. They also said it was mandatory for all the students and teachers to use the stupid 2FA Microsoft app on our phone, but I’ve been using Keepass on desktop without problems (and even shown it to some students). Next step, I’m gonna install Fedora Asahi Remix on the M1 mac they provided me.
They also said it was mandatory for all the students and teachers to use the stupid 2FA Microsoft app on our phone, but I’ve been using Keepass on desktop without problems (and even shown it to some students).
Yeah if they’re just using the MS app for OTP generation, there’s no reason to use that specific application. Keepass is perfectly fine.
Asahi is pretty great. Only issue for me personally is the lack of speaker support. Audio works fine through headphone jack or bluetooth though.
That’s too bad for speaker support cause these M1/2 have the best sound I’ve seen on any laptop. How are the graphic performance, can they match what we have on macOS? I secretly dream of the day we will be able to use the Apple silicon macs for VR. I actually managed to get some things to work decently with a 2018 intel Mac and ALVR a while back.
Apparently that good sound is due to extensive software processing. The asahi devs really want to make a good impression, so they’re spending a lot of time tweaking their sound processing to try to match or beat the MacOS quality before release. Which is both good and annoying. I appreciate the attention to detail, but it would be nice to have any speaker support when I just need to hear something quickly.
The graphics drivers are still in active development, but they have OpenGL3.1 support. Vulkan is under development.
I haven’t tried games, but have seen some posts where users have them working. I don’t think many games are compiled for arm yet though. The graphics dev did a youtube stream back in march where she plays steam games using FEX-Emu. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJSfFzsU75g
Time? You just set it to scan every host on your Active Directory. It’s like a ten minute setup and spits out a report when you’re done.
Yeah, you’re definitely the guy they hate but don’t get paid enough to fight. Security risks users are usually too much of a pain to deal with so we just tell our supervisors that you’ll end up ransomware’ing the company one day and let them handle it from there if they care enough.
Well, IMO the real security problem is forcing all the people who want to be part of Montreal’s largest university to give all their personal data to a shitty, delinquent, soulless company like Microsoft. The stupid 2FA application is also a huge discriminating factor, preventing anyone who doesn’t have a compatible phone from studying at our university. But now MS have the phone # of 98% of our community. Did you know that the ms 365 suite has literally been banned from academic institutions in Germany, due to security concerns? On our side, we pay millions every year to this company for dysfunctional services for which free, secure alternatives exist. Universities shouldn’t be on their knees to big business, that’s what I think, and no, I don’t feel any guilt about using secure open-source software.
It’s not secure if the user installing the software doesn’t understand network security at all (which you don’t, and admitted) you seem to think security is an issue with your personal data being harvested whereas I’m talking about actual security like threat actors hacking into your storage arrays to encrypt or steal information.
But it’s fine, I’ll take my ten years doing security analysis and network engineering and go. Clearly you’re an IT expert since you can install Linux.
This place is full of people like you, who think they understand the way things work but are focused on big scawy Microsoft meanwhile installing god knows fucking what from god knows fucking where. I use Linux and love it, but script kiddies like you are the bain of actual IT professionals existence.
There are people in my workplace (which uses Gmail) who willingly use Outlook to access it then complain about Outlook problems. Outlook is the biggest piece of trash email client software I’ve ever used.
At one place I worked at, it was OBLITERATING any mails from one particular person because of a completely unrelated filter I had. Email notifications from them would appear for a few seconds, then the email would completely disappear (not even in deleted, or in any filter folders). Everyone else cced could see the emails except me, and IT couldn’t figure it out. I had to disable ALL my filters which trashed my inbox with stupid work circulars. Fuck Outlook.
My work won’t allow thunderbird for o365. :(
How do I convince the security dudes to allow access to it?
True gigachads write emails from the terminal.
mutt ftw
or elm, if you wanna go oldschool
I like to use telnet
The Lemmy client I’m using thinks your account is
Edit: And somehow I managed to take the screenshot at 4:20 AND I’m not even high. Yet.
I use Voyager too, was going to comment the same xD
Maybe it’s intentional, 420 years:
Yeah, it’s very intentional, I’m from 420 years in the future. 🤣
Is there a single Lemmy client this doesn’t break? Jerboa lists your account creation date as “4 centuries ago”. Guess it can’t handle negative time deltas
Wow that’s an odd bug! I’d report it to whatever client you’re using - my account creation date is set to the year 2443.
Doesn’t seem like a bug then, does it…
Maybe it’s a lemmy thing cus on Avelon it says “Joined now ago”
Jerboa user here and uhh
Jerboa, I simply do not think that is true
telnet mailhost 110
There’s a blast from the past. I used Telnet as an undergrad back in the 90s.
Cannot Start Microsoft Outlook. Cannot open the Outlook window. The set of folders cannot be opened. The operation has failed.
As the de-facto IT admin in a small business, this message haunts my dreams and I hate that I know it by heart. Time to make a new mail profile and configure all the accounts again. Its not like it’s the seventh time on this computer. It’s not like I’ve reinstalled Outlook three times already as per Microsoft’s “accepted solution”.
There’s a reason I don’t use Microsoft software on my hardware.
One time, when I had to use outlook, someone called me asking why I wasn’t replying to emails since like 3 days. Turned out Outlook had decided I could receive emails, but when I was replying, the email would put in a special folder “to be sent” or something, because the MS outgoing server was not working. I looked like a fucking imbecile when I figured it out and tried to explain what happened.
Another fucking stupid outlook thing is that you can only schedule send emails from the Web client, not the desktop app. If you try to do it on the desktop app it sits locally in your outbox and only sends if the PC holding the email is on. And if it’s off when the scheduled time passes, the email just sits in the outbox. So incredibly stupid.
My current employer doesn’t use Outlook, but I’ve worked for several in the past that do, and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen all of those messages at some point.
What do they use? Is there a viable alternative?
My current employer is fully into Google’s ecosystem, so we don’t use a dedicated email client.
I just use Outlook as a PWA as part of the M365 system. Works great imo. The desktop client can be a bit of a resource hog. I installed the PWA as an app and haven’t looked back.
Back when I was on windows, I didn’t even bother with clients anymore. The new outlook has ads in it and barely works.
I use Thunderbird now since they updated their interface and it’s very pretty and fast. Couldn’t recommend it enough.
Yeah, I never thought I’d use a dedicated email client anywhere but work, but Thunderbird is really good.
I also use K-9 on mobile, which I like even more, but marking messages as spam never seems to stick. I still keep getting absolute trash from Google, even though I unsubscribed to updates a long time ago.
I was a K-9 user for a time there. I sprung for the Nine client’s 1 time buy for my work email so I could control with a schedule notifications and mail retrieval.
I now use it for my Gmail client so I can add inline photos to my messages on Android.
I know it’s hip to bash all things Microsoft, but Outlook is my life at work. It’s absolutely fine if you’re not predisposed to hating things.
Yeah I don’t mind Outlook, I also use it for work and it does the job just fine.
And it has folders. I still don’t like Gmail’s “labels”
Outlook is fine, but you can tell there is no real competition and they just haven’t really bothered putting any effort into it for years.
Yup. So is edge and teams with 365.
But most of these people haven’t got a clue what they’re talking about. The other has never worked in an office environment.
Even fewer yet, had the displeasure of working with g suite.
It’s better than the native Mail app by Apple.
I do hate the new web based experience though. The executable client is very good.
I also work almost exclusively in outlook (and ERP programs) but honestly Outlook is just bad at so many things, especially when working with the volume of emails we do. So many crashes, so many QOL functions that just don’t exist, so many minor issues that a 2 trillion dollar company should be able to fix.
I’ve got no problem with it, especially after I created some macros to tag and sort my emails.
Not Oracle Cloud ERP/EPM though. Those are the worst programs I have to use on a daily basis. For whatever godforsaken reason, the Smart View extensions for the Office apps are all connected to each other so if you’re running some SV function in Excel, Outlook will freeze up.
No worries, you can just disable the plugins in the other apps, right? Wrong. The plugins automatically re-enable each other.
I’ve had connection issues and app instability a bit often, especially with the iOS version. Part of it might be our email server but I’m finding issues I never have with Google or even Yahoo clients. It’s not awful, but there are better and cheaper options at enterprise level.
I use thunderbird, though it really feels like it has terrible performance for me. Feels like a really heavy program for just an email client.
Still better than having ads on your client.
Thunderbird is great for me. I’ve used it for near on twenty years, and it flies compared to Outlook, especially for searching.
Very fast for me as well. I just launched it to check, and it took just a second or two to cold launch it.
Takes a few more seconds to refresh and get new messages. I think it’s actually faster than checking my email in browser, especially since one of my email addresses is the Yahoo! account I created in the 1990s and use for junk subscriptions.
The problem is. Nowadays all email clients have to be browsers cause email text is sent as html
That new design update definitely made the performance worse. And it looks pretty much the same anyways. Wish I could just revert it to the old one.
What sucks the most is Dark Reader. Previously it worked fine for emails, but now it always takes a second to load. I’ll never forgive the thunderbird devs for this “update”.
After the redesign I’m honestly surprised half of the world is not on Thunderbird already.
There’s a setting to make it use the old interface. I don’t know what I’ll do when they remove it :(
Nice one, made me chuckle!
I still use thunderbird. It works well.
I was using Thunderbird when I switched to Fedora, but then I found out about Evolution. If you use GNOME, I think it’s much better.
I use fluxbox but that doesn’t prevent using gnome apps; my main issue with them is that god-awful look they all assumed overnight a few years ago, without the title bar and the like (I think to match the Ubuntu tendency at the time / trying to emulate the fucked-up universal touch interface thing Microsoft tried to introduce at the time ?), from gedit to, indeed, evolution. I really loathe it. And thunderbird kept a classic look (firefox didn’t, which means regular css tweaking to achieve the same result).
Also thunderbird supports calendars and webdav/webcal sync with plugins (though perhaps evolution does as well now, I haven’t checked).
I was expecting a thunderbird meme.
owa is so much better than outlook for me, at least for my work email. There’s actual dark mode, the servers seem to do all the heavy lifting so it never seems slow, the attachment preview is better and i can download a message as .eml instead of proprietary .msg format. Probably once a day I have to hit F5 because it starts acting weird. You can also make it a PWA. Seriously if you have to use corporate email give OWA a shot.
the servers seem to do all the heavy lifting so it never seems slow
Never thought the day would come when an EMAIL CLIENT’s performance benefited from cloud processing. How bloated is this shit?
We have workstation machines at work, Outlook is a dog app and OS is not great either, and search is absolutely garbage. So now I boot to linux and use the web version and it is peppy. So processing on a server is better for this junk they release.
I use Luke Smith’s script https://muttwizard.com/ to set up neomutt usually. Or Thunderbird. I have tried to get mutt working many times on my own and at this point I honestly dont think that I am smart enough.
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Everybody does, comrade
“HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I’VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO send emails. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF neuron paths IN cute wrinkles LAYERS THAT FILL MY brain. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR outlook AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. HATE. HATE.”
I Have No Mouth & I Must Scream, right ? still need to play it.
I don’t. But I have never used it, nor do I intend to do so in the future. From what I heard I would hate it too if I had used it.
takes Notes oh no, this is even worse!
