Voters want change, but still remain unsatisfied with their options

    • Wigglehard@exploding-heads.com
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      My grandmother was born in Berlin, Germany in 1938. She watched the Gestapo put a handgun to her grandfathers head and murder him because he wouldn’t give up his grandsons to fight the russians towards the end of the war. Seeing an old woman cry towards the end of her life about the horrors of ww2 and the atrocities of nazis then the subsequent pillaging of berlin by russian soldiers (she witnessed her mother get gang raped by russian soldiers) i find your comment to be ignorant and offensive, Trump isnt a nazi and if he was you would’ve seen him arm his supporters to the teeth with military grade equipment and wholesale murder liberals like it was going out of style

      • bobthened@feddit.uk
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        No-one said he is a Nazi, just that he’s a fascist. There are multiple different flavours of fascism – it isn’t all literally shooting people in the head and ordering thousands of people into death camps, it can be more subtle and insidious than that.

        Also worth mentioning that fascism generally doesn’t start with the ethnic cleansing and mass murder, it starts with things like; scapegoating minorities, being overly tough on crime, and peddling misinformation. It takes quite a few years for the fascists to gain enough power to be able to enact the kind of policies that are generally pretty unpopular among normal people.

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          All im saying is my grandmother witnessed it firsthand and extra part of the story, her mother shaved her head as the russians were pillaging the city so she would look like a little boy cz she hadn’t developed breasts yet, that way the russians wouldn’t rape her cz the russians soldiers were ruthless animals, but war is disgusting

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            Go check out what UN peacekeepers do in war-ravaged countries, in fact, recall abu ghirab and other US atrocities. Let’s not collectively assume all Russian soldiers are “animals.” We’re all animals and bloodlust isn’t as far from us as we may prefer to think.

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              You’re excusing Soviet atrocities by saying “what about the US.” Try doing the same trick to excuse Nazi atrocities.

              Tankies are disgusting.

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      Yeah. Strong “one of those things is not like the others” energy to this headline, lol.

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      Why is that the option, though? The majority of people who complain about the choices probably know who they’ll vote for even if it’s not a great choice, but how are these 3 the absolute best our country has to offer? Who’s pulling the strings to force this choice down our throats?

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        It’s the illusion of choice, like one may give a toddler: would you like to have bacon or sausage with your breakfast? It’s the same product, different flavor.

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          Maybe in the worst funded public school system breakfast ever conceived …

          Bacon is a cured pork- usually belly, and typically sliced.

          Sausage is a seasoned ground meat… er… product… that might be cured or smoked or not, might be stuffed into casings or not, might (usually, unless specified,) be pork. Or not.

          The two products are vastly different. And, in point of fact … Biden and the other two are also vastly different.

          You might have had a point if you had said “it’d be like asking if you want cheap sausage or dogs shit.” I’ll let you figure out which is what.

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            Typical liberal. I’m left of that but thank you for the pedantry. It’s still pork and that goes to the wealthy and corporations, is the point. I’ll let you figure out which group works for the commoners.

            • Julian@lemm.ee
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              I’m leftist too and would love for someone other than old centrist men to run the country but saying Biden and Trump are the same is just ignorant. One is a straight up racist, misogynist fascist who has done irreparable damage to the country, and the other is at least somewhat competent and has enacted policies like the COVID relief stipend and pausing student loan debt payments. Yes, he also is a shill for big companies and should be doing way more. But it does make a difference for millions of people. All you do by treating them as the same is discourage people from voting, and that voter apathy is what got us trump, and could get us desantes. Short of a political revolution, that still is our best way to enact actual change. Plus, those things aren’t mutually exclusive.

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                Good politician-bad politician ruse imo. It’s not the age so much as the recorded history. That Overton Window is so right, it’s wrong, now.

                • Julian@lemm.ee
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                  So what’s the solution? Again, voting is the only real way to get any change done right now, and while it’s minimal, I’d rather have a politician that has a minimal good effect vs none at all. The right thrives on voter apathy, they want you to feel like both sides are the same so they can take power, strip away voter rights, and stay in power - exactly what’s happening in conservative states like Florida and Texas.

                  Trust me, I want there to be another option, some sort of large-scale protest or revolution. But in lieu of that, the least we can do is make sure the minimal amount of damage is done.