• ChillPenguin@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    I’m not falling for this again. This is the same type of articles we saw back in 2016. Get out and vote like your country depends on it.

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        10 months ago

        What did people “fall for”?

        Pretty sure they’re referring to how a lot of people didn’t believe he could win in 2016. I don’t know to what extent that actually affected voting, but even the pollsters (the supposed experts at election prediction) predicted he had no chance at winning.

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    Ugh, that’s what I said in 2015 when he descended a golden escalator to announce his candidacy. I have since lost any remaining faith in US politics. Everyone has become more insane since then and there has been absolutely no signs of rational discussion reentering the political forum.

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    “His threats to democracy make him dangerous. They also make him a weak candidate.”

    His threats to democracy are exactly what draws his supporters. They are inherently anti-democratic. We saw this on 1/6 and we saw it in all the challenges in the various swing states.

    It’s actively what they want.

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      He’s good at catering to his base but he’s driving away everyone that isn’t a Christofascist. Democrats have outperformed polling the last 2 cycles, and I suspect it’s due to this.

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    10 months ago

    I remember everyone saying “don’t worry, he won’t win” the first time.

    Forgive my if I maintain a pessimistic view this time around.

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      If Democrats take this seriously, they might have to vary their messaging or worse – do something that might appeal to the despised left of the party.

      If they just take victory as a foregone conclusion, they don’t have to do shit. They can always blame the left of the party for any losses and use that as an excuse to move even farther to the right.

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        10 months ago

        It doesn’t matter where you live.

        Fascists gaining control of the United States military would be the end of us all.

        Especially Fascists led by an idiot who pondered using a nuke to stop a hurricane.

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    Hate him—but my bet is on him winning in 2024. Not because I want him, but because this is gonna be rigged correctly this time. The 2020 election attempt was just a foot in the water to see if it would be chopped off, and since nothing happened the full attack is coming.

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      Pessimistic paranoia is no more useful than optimistic willful ignorance. There’s no indication that there was a meaningful attempt to rig the 2020 election on either side, so I don’t know why you’re alleging there was. I do think it’s reasonable to predict that the Far Right will try hard this time to interfere with the voting process and create chaos in order to claim that said election was rigged, but I also think it’s a reasonable prediction that States will take even more precautions this time around to ensure election integrity. Just wait and see what happens. I too got burned in 2016 in that I didn’t think Trump had a chance in Hell, but my new position is simply not to try to make predictions. If Trump really does win, I suspect it will be because swing voters decided to be idiots again, and we as a nation will deserve what happens to us. However, it may be that they’ve finally seen enough of Trump to know him for what he is by this point.

      2024 is going to be a national IQ test for America. Hopefully, we’ll come out only semi-retarded.

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        “The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H. L. Mencken

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          The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

          To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.

          To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

          To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

          - Douglas Adams

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          He is what they want to be. Morons lack imagination. They want to be who they are right now (ie racist, sexist, narcissistic pigs) but also rich and immune to consequences, or seemingly so.

          His blatant criminality and removal from anything resembling real-life struggles is not a downside that’s ignored. It’s part of the draw.

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    I think this is very possibly true, I think most voters wave away accusations of their preferred political candidate but actually believe jury trial results. The subset where that flips their vote is smaller, I believe the 6% that one poll found. But that’s plenty to flip an election, all else equal.

    The scary part is that there are other factors. If Trump gets convicted on one or two of the charges and also the economy goes into an unexpected downturn close to the election like in 2008, Trump might get elected anyway and that’s a really bad precedent.