Stand for America Fund Inc, a super PAC that supports Nikki Haley, reported on Thursday that it has raised $50.1 million in the second half of 2023 — millions more than Trump-aligned super PAC MAGA Inc., which reported over $46 million.
There are no details from these numbers yet, which were reported by the New York Times, as the Federal Election Commission filing deadline is only Jan. 31.
When it comes to MAGA Inc.'s funds, the super PAC ended the year with over $23 million in cash on hand, according to reports — and counted with over a dozen donors who contributed with $1 million or more.
Best case scenario is she wins the nomination.
Everyone keeps saying that “Biden’s best chance is against Trump”.
And while that may be technically true, something people fail to take into account is that under absolutely no circumstances is Trump going quietly.
There’s a 0% chance he doesn’t run as an independent or write in candidate and split the Republican vote. It’s just not going to happen.
And yes, the Republican party could just hand him the nomination and put him up if Nikki wins legitimately, but then they’ve just disenfranchised everyone that voted for her, everyone that wanted to vote Republican but didn’t want to vote for Trump.
And some of those people will vote for Biden, and some may not vote at all.
But as much of a piece of shit as she is, the mess she’s making in the Republican party is doing us all a huge favor.Trump could die tomorrow and he would still get a non-trivial number of votes. Diehard MAGA would be talking about how he’s not really dead, that he never stopped being president, and that Trump’s hair looks amazing.
I’ll be willing to bet actual Dollarbucks that he gets write in votes ~10 years or 3 elections after he dies.
Most of his voters will be dead by then
Never underestimate the impact of generational stupidity
There were “elvis sightings” in the tabloids well into the 90’s.
What are they gonna do, believe “Big Coroner.” The same folks that lied to us about COVID deaths! /S if that wasn’t obvious.
I would join Twitter specifically to say things like that.
And I loathe Twitter.
I agree.
Even barring 3rd party shenanigans leaving dems in control of the WH. Haley will leave when her term is done, trump will not. I’d much rather take my chances on a less than favorable Haley-Biden matchup than make a wild, all-in bet for the future of the republic.
There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.
There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.
Agreed. I even thought about requesting a Republican ballot this year for the Ohio primary and voting for her.
I’m voting for Biden in the general either way, but I’d still rather have him up against her.I’m sorry, but I think this whole thread is crazy, Haley could absolutely beat Biden if she somehow managed to get the Republican nomination. Independents will vote against Trump in November because his handling of COVID and January 6 freaked them out, but they don’t like Biden at all either and would love to have someone else to vote for. Plus, Haley being a woman will probably go a long ways towards disarming the abortion issue for people who only think about politics for five minutes a year.
I agree with you. Hayley worries me more and I think any Republican candidate will put project 2025 into action. I think Hayley will disarm a lot of worries specifically because she’s not Trump, female, and people will vote for her partly to have the first female president. If she ends up being the nominee, the new nonsense against Biden will be about him being sexist which at least some people will fall for.
I had the same thought. The reality is that most of America now identifies as Independent,
However, since 2009, independent identification has grown and reached levels not seen before. Now, political independents (41%) greatly outnumber Republican (28%) and Democratic (28%) identifiers. source
Haley absolutely massacred Trump in the New Hampshire primaries in regards to independents,
Strong turnout by unaffiliated voters and a comparative abundance of moderates stood out in exit poll results, underscoring the state’s often unconventional voter profile. Forty-six percent reported being registered as “undeclared” rather than Republican vs. a previous record of 45% in 2012. Haley won those undeclared voters by a wide margin, 65-34%. source
I’m way more worried about a Haley run than another Biden vs Trump square-off. Everyone’s already made the great points on all the other views with age, gender, and it still being the republican party in control but people would be tricked with the optics.
Even though I disagree with Haley’s platform, I believe she’d leave office at the end of her term. I believe she’d accept the result of an election she’s lost. I believe that she’d behave with a level of decorum appropriate for the office.
So she’s immediately better than Trump simply by not being a fascist monster. Even if the dems lost to her, I wouldn’t have to worry about democracy suddenly ending or concentration camps for immigrants or nuking random countries and leaving NATO or her encouraging everyone to inject bleach and take horse de-worming pills, at least for 4 years.
It’s sad that “will behave with decorum and tact” is the bar Republicans continue to struggle to clear.
She wouldn’t nuke anyone, she’d just turn the country into Handmaiden’s Tale.
If trump runs as an independent and splits the vote up, and no one ends up getting 270 electoral votes, then the house of representatives gets to choose who to make president by simple majority of 26 out of 50(one vote per state). This currently means that Republicans get to pick, since they control more states.
So basically, if Biden can’t hit 270 for any reason at all, Biden loses, and even if Nikki got 80 percent of all the other non Biden votes, the Republicans controlled house could choose to put trump back in, leaving us with a president that we’ll over most of America didn’t vote for.
Nikki and Trump together only need half the electoral votes, with Biden getting the entire other half, and that will leave a Trump or Nikki win.
leaving us with a president that we’ll over most of America didn’t vote for.
Keep in mind that in the last 30-something years, Republicans have only won the popular vote once for the Presidency, and that was back in 2004.
Yeah, the popular vote also used to always be the same as the electoral college vote. Since that stopped happening with the 2000 election, a republican (W Bush) has only won it once–in '04, as you say.
leaving us with a president that we’ll over most of America didn’t vote for.
What else is new?
Yeah in a vacuum are people maybe tired of Biden and dumb enough to gamble everything on a “change”? Sure. But Trump definitely has the crazies, the core, and other people who stayed at home in 2012 firmly in his grasp. He’s not going to just tell Uncle Crazy to get in line and vote for Haley.
Conventional wisdom is that young Haley could beat and old and not popular incumbent, but it’s banking on a bunch of Bush era realities, including Trump following norms.
Saint Nikk(y)? 🎅
Should we be donating to her campaign? Would that money travel further in making sure neither of them win vs. donating to Biden?
Im not going to give either a penny but I am curious what others think.
Well Trump has been skinning his base (voters) for money for close to a decade now without really giving them anymore in the wallet while president.
If they haven’t figured by now that they’re being scammed, they never will. The cult leader can do no wrong.
I mean I’m sure they would’ve donated more, if Trump had left them any money… His famous “tax cuts” were if you recall actually a tax increase on the less fortunate that make up his most fervent followers for whatever reason.
Omg imagine if she ends up being the first female president?!? This is just silly, but i do love watching conservative infighting 🍿🥂
It reminds me of the interview that Jordon Klepper did with MAGA voters in 2016.
MAGA woman: A woman can’t be president! If she has a hot flash or gets emotional, she could start a war!
Jordon: Haven’t all wars been started by men?
MAGA woman: pause
That pause was loooong and incredibly awkward. You could practically hear the gears grinding in her head as she tried to reconcile the cognitive dissonance.
I cannot wrap my brain around the mental path that leads any woman to support Donald Trump.
Like…why? What on earth does this candidate offer you?
I asked my mother, so I can answer. She said if he is the Republican nominee, she will vote for him. Extended reasoning is “not a Democrat”.
I know a woman that is a trump supporter. She is also a christian evangelical and has been most of her life.
I think the reason she is a trump supporter is that her christian education has taught her that there is a hierarchy to reality.
That men are the protectors - God (a man in her world view) is the head of that
Women are the providers and submissive to men.
I think the bravado of trump appeals to her sense of reality, A strong “protector” man in charge. All of his limitations are not for her to question because she is the provider not the questioner.
Trust me, there is a seriously disturbing amount of genuinely misogynistic women out there. I’ve had the misfortune of dealing with them many times…
Bigotry. Whether they realize it or not.
It’s not about what people who vote from him will get, it’s what he promises to take away from people they don’t like.
There’s a great scene featuring a Donald Trump speech and a brainwashed MAGA woman in the latest Fargo season.
Imma need a link
Not available in my country… Fucking YT man. I’ll check it out at home when I can use my VPN.
Thank you sir.
Gotta love VPNs. And not a sir, but you are welcome!
My apologies for misgenerding you. Honest mistake cause the internet is seemingly a sausage-fest.
Ahaha no worries, really; it definitely is
As a woman in my 40s I can’t even tell you the number of wars I’ve started during a hot flash and I’m not even the commander in chief of the largest military in the world. If I were though I would have definitely launched nukes on at least 5 occasions just because I was hot for a few minutes.
/s because jfc
Found the clip for the lazy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Zdx97A63s#t=1m51s
Queen Boudica went to war with the Romans.
I mean after men raped her and her daughters.
Not to mention: killed her husband in the first fucking place.
Women get emotional over the smallest things.
For anyone who may want to upvote this dummy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica
she’d quite frankly be worse than trump. nevermind the fact that she wants a national abortion ban and a national trans care ban
Isn’t this stuff Trump also wants?
Trump probably personally doesn’t care, but he knows he can say he wants those things to get support from Republicans.
yeah all republicans are bad but at least trump doesn’t try to pretend he’s a moderate
And that she’s trying to tell everyone that slavery was a good thing for black people.
I mean, if it weren’t for MAGA, she would trounce Biden in the general.
That’s kinda what they’re banking on, though…
I just can’t see it happening from the party of religious patriarchy. These are the sort of folks who excommunicated women for wanting to become priests over a year ago, and that’s just the moderate Catholics; Evangelicals would probably burn down the church.
I wish they fuckin’ would, frankly
There’s no way Trump isn’t going to run in November. If he get’s frozen out by the GOP he’ll declare himself a write in candidate, and if he’s barred by SCOTUS he’ll run Ivanka.
He might be dumb enough to think the GOP can run Donald Trump Jr. In his place and not have to change the ballots.
Even Eric knows that Ivanka is the smart one.
If Trump wants to win the election, he knows better than to put a gigantic loser like Jr on the ballot.
So you’re saying Biden in a landslide?
Don’t jinx us.
Has Ivanka even been seen with him since she and Jared walked away with their $2B Saudi deal?
Be fascinating to see if he would even be successful as a writing candidate, because you have to think his supporters aren’t the best spellers.
That’s one way to save the timeline, I guess. I’d be pretty funny if Donald lost to 2 different misspellings of his own name.
• Trumb • Tump • Trunp
The Republican party is desperately trying to stay alive by moving away from the crazy but it is still too strong.
Can’t win a primary without him, can’t win a general with him.He wins the primary and has a stroke before the general. Everyone gets what they want.
What an odd way to describe catching a bullet or six. Have an upvote for creativity.
can’t win a general with him.
You’d think so but he is leading in the polls and the bettting markets.
I think turnout amongst young voters will be lower than last time for Biden since they have been brainwashed by TikTok on the Gaza issue. Even though the lesser of two evils is clearly Biden especially on Israel and Gaza.
So unless a couple of key states kick him off the ballot Trump will win the electoral college vote. While losing the popular vote by the widest margin to date.
First off, ignore the betting markets. They had Trump winning in 2020, too. The kind of people who put money on this stuff aren’t the clear-headed, rational sort.
Second, the polls are broken right now. They’ve been consistently under-counting Democratic votes for years, due to the difficulty of conducting scientifically sound polls in the age of cellphones and the death of land-lines. Seriously, look at polling for the special elections and midterms since 2018 - it’s practically homogenous. In election after election, Democrats overperformed the polls.
I’m not saying we don’t have to fight like hell - we absolutely do. But we don’t have to lose hope, especially with almost a year to go before the first general election ballots are cast.
Vote like it’s a possibility Trump will win, and vote like it’s a certainty that you can stop him.
Very well said.
I knew too many idiots who didn’t even bother voting in 2016, many of these idiots went to “HILLARY WON!” parties… that all ended… rather awkwardly with Trump’s victoly
Second, the polls are broken
Broken is a stretch but we do know which way they leaned and that’s not a good sign considering Biden’s numbers were overstated.
Most preelection polls in 2020 overstated Joe Biden’s lead over Donald Trump in the national vote for president
It’s not hopeless but the margins are thin, Trump won by 77,000 votes in 2016 and lost by 81,000 in 2020. Biden doesn’t have a lot of slack to play with and he’s going to be hit hard from all sides including his own thanks to 10/7.
Between inflation, “the border”, Ukraine funding, Israel and every country with a vested interest against America influencing people online more than ever before it’s gearing up to be a disaster.
I didn’t cite Biden’s election, I specifically cited midterms and special elections. We know Trump supporting voter turnout was higher than expected in 2020. So was Biden turnout, though not by as much.
But now we’re three years in, inflation is down, the economy is robust, and there’s not nearly as much reason to be full of doom and gloom as an addiction to pundits would have you believe.
Breathe. Hope is not lost.
All of this could be avoided with a single drone strike which, according to Trump, would be perfectly legal for Biden to order. I hate this timeline.
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The crazy is why it’s still alive. Nobody was excited about seeing the same old shit in 2016, which it seemed like it’d be with Clinton vs Bush. Trump was pushed to the top of the republican party by voters enthused by this new energy, even if his policies have basically been republican standard with possibly a few kinks.
Now with Haley, people are talking about a return to normalcy but I caution against this because that’ll mean more acceptance of a republican candidate who will follow the same policies as Trump for the most part except “with more decorum” i.e. the usual republican bullshit. Democrats have put too much emphasis on “not Trump” and “return to normalcy” and “decorum” that Haley then gets seen as acceptable and the so-called moderates that democrats want to woo so badly would be fine with voting for her, same with never-Trump voters.
Trump getting out of the presidential race in some way and being replaced by Haley could actually be one way democrats lose this election. On top of that, republicans will claim first woman president after democrats emphasized over and over again how important diversity is (but still going with Biden lol).
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“Can’t win a primary without him, can’t win a general with him.”
Found Beau’s Lemmy account! :P
I think there are a great many Republicans who won’t vote for a woman for president. Haley would be great for Dems, IMO.
She’s worse than Hillary.
She’s GOP so that’s a given. If she becomes the R presidential candidate they just gave the race to Biden though, IMO.
No, I don’t think so. She’s a good debater, there’s a reason why Trump was afraid to go on a debate stage with her. She would emasculate him on the debate stage.
And I have a generally high opinion on Biden, but he has visibly aged since the last election in 2020. I’m confident he could put forward his views well in a hypothetical debate with Haley, but his age would be out on full display, much more so than if he were debating someone his age. The story from those debates wouldn’t be about what they said, but about the age difference.
I also think Biden only cares about beating Trump. If we find out that Haley is getting the nomination, then Biden will conveniently find out about some health issue that makes him unable to go on, and Harris would take over the ticket. (Too late to have a primary cycle, oh darn!) A Harris/Whitmer ticket stands a much better chance of beating Haley than Biden/Harris.
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I admit you might have a point there. That’s a good rebuttal to my thinking.
I highly doubt Biden would ever stop running for president, especially now that it’s basically too late. Throwing kamela would be bad because it’s such a huge curve ball, especially considering the good odds incumbents have at winning reelection.
Biden has a good chance against Haley mainly because she’s not Trump and I bet he would split the Republican vote. If Trump were dead, I don’t think Haley would appeal well to the hard trumpers, especially the sexist ones.
Honestly I’m surprised the whole “Leave the record player on at night so black kids hear more words!” didn’t sink Biden
I think you underestimate the “team” aspect. I think even the folks who hate women hate losing more.
I think this is true of traditional Republican voters - their ability to fall in line and unify, both as a voter base and legislative block, has been a strength for decades (notably less so more recently). But I’m not so sure this applies to Trump’s core voters. They seem much more of a “my way or the highway” crowd.
That said, I don’t think the reason they wouldn’t vote for Haley is because she’s a woman, more just because she’s not Trump, and is pretty openly hostile to him.
I don’t see Trump admitting defeat, even in the primary. And if even a small percentage of Republicans in swing states insist on voting Trump instead of Haley it could very easily cost them the election.
Many many Republicans will not vote for anyone but Trump. Look at Mitt Romney. He didn’t excite the crazies.
Totally agree, so all the better if Haley gets the nomination somehow.
Who knows. Fucking themselves is what GOP voters are best at so you could be right.
No joke, I don’t think it was “The Pyramids were for storing grain so Dinosaurs wouldn’t eat them!” thank sunk Dr. Ben Carson, I legitimately believe that many people who only read about the man abandoned him when the debates started solely because they realized he was black
I’m sure that burns him more than anything. She’s got a bigger wad than he does.
And bigger hands.
From everything I’ve seen, this race is over. New Hampshire was one of the highest populations of Haleys base and she still lost by 10 points.
She would need a very seismic shift in the race to have any prayer of a chance.
And just to be clear, I’m quite liberal. But whenever I write these comments people think I’m for Trump. I just look at the data.
It’s she staying in the race just as the remaining candidate in case Trump can’t join the general election for judicial or health reasons?
Probably
Wasn’t planning to donate but did after Trumps threats to ban from Maga for those that did so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Split the party.
I have a gut feeling that if she is the nominee, she will win the general election. I feel like there are a fair number of conservatives who aren’t compelled to vote or even would vote for Biden if Trump was the nominee. But without Trump as a motivator, the math changes a bit.
The only chance she has as the nominee is if Trump is literally dead. Any scenario where she’s the nominee and Trump is alive has him splitting the vote too much to give her any shot at all.
Honestly I’m not even sure if his core voters would go for her even if he were dead.
His fanatics seem pretty willing to forgive someone if they kiss his ring
“Bro he faked his death to avoid being assassinated by Biden before the election!”
There’s a lot of sexism and racism that could prevent conservatives from voting for her though. It’d be interesting to see.
Oh that’s hilarious. Dump must be throwing the worst tantrum right now
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And yet there is no chance in hell she wins the nomination nevermind the general. She’s a 30:1 long shot in current betting markets.
When I bet on Trump for 2016 I got 12:1 odds at the time (end of primaries). Don’t pay attention to betting markets, the market makers need to balance their books, so its just weird feelings that drive odds.
Lol, how is Michelle Obama a more likely pick?
The GOP will likely cancel any future primaries to stop her from gaining any more against Trump
STAF…
lmao, i hope its not antibiotic resistant
