Rutland resident Jack Crowther has been a longtime critic.

“You’re putting a drug, a medicine, in our water to treat tooth decay without the informed consent of the people,” Crowther said.

“Mandrake, have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?” strangelove-wow


“THEY’RE PUTTING MEDICINE IN THE WATER!” frothingfash


Also related, a Richmond, VT waterworks employee secretly lowered fluoride levels in the town’s drinking supply for a decade.

EDIT: I should’ve updated this a month ago, but the town voted to keep fluoride.

  • oregoncom [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Water fluoridation is fucking stupid. Fluoride can cure cancer and make you immortal for all I care it’s still stupid to put it in all the tap water. Of all the tap water you use how much do you actually drink vs washing things? And you know what’s a way more efficient of getting it on your teeth other than drinking water? Toothpaste, which already fucking has fluoride in it.

    Hmm, we have substance that’s good for your teeth. Do we put it in the toothpaste or do we spend millions dumping it in all the fucking water?

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      Damn if only there were any research pointing out water fluoridation as one of the most cost-effective public health programs in the history of humanity.

      Fluoride is cheap as shit.

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        If it’s cheap as shit give everyone a packet of fluoride to smear on their teeth. Also I don’t care about whatever “line goes up” justification there is, it’s just still a roundabout and wasteful delivery method to put it in the tap water. There’s no way to control dosage and it’s wasteful. Also municipalities fuck up the quantity of fluoridation pretty regularly.

        Besides the practical concerns water fluoridation would never pass an ethical review if it were proposed today. People should be able to consent to what medicine they’re taking. It’s banned in almost every country other than the US for a reason.

        Also dentists aren’t real doctors. They don’t go through med school and most of the research they publish isn’t nearly as rigorous as regular medical research. Same fuckers came up with the bright idea to put mercury in tooth implants.

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          If it’s cheap as shit give everyone a packet of fluoride to smear on their teeth.

          jesse-wtf

          Besides the practical concerns water fluoridation would never pass an ethical review if it were proposed today. People should be able to consent to what medicine they’re taking. It’s banned in almost every country other than the US for a reason.

          jesse-wtf

          It’s widely practiced in other countries like the UK, all across South America, Malaysia, ROK, Ireland, Spain, China, Singapore; the rest of what you’re saying is comically wrong but this part is incredibly easy to demonstrate how wrong you are.

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            Water flouridation isn’t done in China. In certain regions the fluoride level is naturally high and there is a problem with fluoridosis in those regions. In like the 70s they did flouridation and then stopped once they realized it made fluoridosis rates go up slightly.

            A lot of the countries you’re talking about don’t artificially fluoridate their water, they just have naturally high(ish) fluoride levels and get listed as “fluoridated water” in whatever source you’re using.

            UK

            I guess water fluoridation does fuck all for your teeth then lmao. /s

            Wtf is someone with fluorosis gonna do? Drink only distilled water until it goes away?

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          There’s no way to control dosage

          too bad we don’t know how much water people drink & can’t calibrate relative to that. one of life’s great mysteries

          it’s wasteful

          great point, we don’t know when people are using water in a way that necessitates chlorination, we should just send everyone untreated water & they can treat it at their discretion when it’s really necessary. stop the waste!

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            too bad we don’t know how much water people drink & can’t calibrate relative to that. one of life’s great mysteries

            Some people are sweating in the sun and drinking lots of water to replace it; some people are hydrating almost exclusively with bottled sparkling water. There is actually great variation among how much tap water people drink. You know how some people are getting iodine deficiency even though we supplement table salt, because they’re using sea salt for all their home cooking?

            Not to say that fluoridated water isn’t better than nothing. But I don’t see how it can give everyone a perfect dose.

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              you don’t need a perfect dose, just less than would give people fluorosis, which is a fucking lot–people usually get it from eating toothpaste which has a concentration 1.000 times that of the recommended amount in water

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                  You’re in a forum filled with Socialists and Communists. We support the greater good and government services that help everyone. This is one of those services.

                  I don’t care that five people have some rare condition that makes it hard for them to drink tap water if the tap water being treated is helping literally hundreds of millions of kids have healthy teeth! We can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good!

                  I’m also not going to call for banning trains just because some kid is in therapy for locomophobia.

                  Pick a better hill to die on.