I am sorry you had to trough that. Thanks for bringing it up. I understand how going trough a trauma like that causes you to not want a single human to go trough with it too. It makes your stance understanable and very human to me.

And while i still believe that there are circumstances where this might be the batter choice, i don’t want to hurt you by insisting on them or arguing this any further. I will refrain from further comments. Your well being is more important than some random internet dude making a point.

I apologise if i have caused you distres by stating my opinion.

Because i am.

Is it so hard do fathom for you that a stance can be more nuanced than 100 % yes or no, regardless of circumstances?

You do relize that the baby had no say in this, yes? It has been placed in this situation with no say.

The baby never consented to be placed in the womb.

Yeah, i see an abortion for medical reasons or to save the live of the mother. And i agree that doctors should be able to act in such situations without fear of repercussions.

Yeah, she should, and it’s wrong that she wasn’t. So you are saying that, because the system didn’t allow her any other path to abortion, you feel such a late abortion was the right call?

Cause i would argue that, even if the circumstances were out of her hands and it’s unfair for her, at 31 weeks she was dealing with a fellow human being and should have gone trough with it. I don’t blame her that she didn’t and she shouldn’t be punished for it (it’s not her fault anyway).

Again, i agree. But the article isn’t about most woman, is it? It’s about one teen that aborted at 31 weeks.

So, again: Is it you position that a womens right to make decisions about her body is indipendend from the developmental stage a baby is in?

Please show me where i have done this.

I agree.

That dosn’t answer my question tough.

I agree. They realy shoudn’t.

But we are talking about a fetus that is 6 weeks from being born here. By my account, that is a living being.

Even in most liberal countries you can’t abort past 21 weeks without a medical reason to do so.

I won’t and wouldn’t force anybody to put their own live at risk. But considering that ending another live is the alternative here, i think it would be the best choice do make in a case like this, in my opinion.

Just to steelman your argument here: It is your opinion, that a baby can and should be aborted as long as it is in a womb, regardless of it’s develomental status?

I will not engage with the things you feel the need to assume about me, neither here nor in your other comment.

I’m sorry to hear about your headache. Maybe the sex can help you relax a bit more. You come across as a bit tense.

2120 weeks also seems quite late

That is a good point. I am looking at this from a european perspective and had means no costs and much lower maternal mortality rates. I aknowledge that the situation is complicated by this. It’s just a fucked up situation either way.

Not as a “got ya” but just fyi, being a teenager of her age is not a risk factor in this case, but lessens the risk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_mortality_in_the_United_States

Edit: It still is risking a live vs. taking a live tough.

I agree to most of what you said. But.

If you arrive at 31 weeks, regardless of how unfair and fucked up the circumstances where thad lead to this point, you shoudn’t abort in my opinion.

Hell, i know it sucks. I am so fucking sry for the poor girl that has been brought into a situation like this by bigoted assholes that denied her a right to abortion and sex edd to prevent it in the first place.

But she had an option left. She had the option to go trough with it and give the baby away. And i know that sucks. But at that point, i personally think it would have been the more humane option.

It’s disgusting to post photos like this by the way. It’s not her fault she didn’t have options - it’s the government’s overreach into women’s healthcare that is at fault here.

I posted them to show why i think this way, not to shame the poor girl. I don’t blame her, it is, as you pointed out, not her fault.

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Exellent video on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctGz81oPNGI&t=81

I’m in my 40s and i still remember the day my dad had to jump in for my mum to do the cooking. He made the worst green pease that i have ever eaten, to this day. Fuck, i miss him.

Then i might suggest not posting memes about gender roles.

Looking at the discussions in this post that seems to be something this post has inspired.

Yeah, in regards to feminism this place is like half a step above Truth Central. So many but hurt men who reflexibly go into attack mode the second they feel ever so slight pushback.

Not in 40 years so far. I can’t relate to a single post in this thread.

My personal hypothesis is that american food is so full of essentially toxic stuff, that having shits like described in this thread happen has become normalised and a shared cultural experience.

But since that is only anecdotal, i might be very wrong about that.

For the first 20 + years of my live this was my families way to do any BBQ. Ours had a bigger opening, so that you could hang a gridiron above.