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  • OK, I’ll bite one last time:
    For starters, you don’t even know what my position is, as evident my you attacking US history, as if I have any interest in defending it.
    Secondly, if the USSR population weren’t de facto serfs, why was travel so restricted? Why was the wall built? Why are there so few accounts of people fleeing to the soviet union? Are you really claiming that some dairy farmer in Turkmenistan could decide one day that he instead would like to serve borscht in Moscow for a living, and then just get up and do so?



  • I think OP pointed out Stalin because there’s a disturbing amount of Stalinism coming from there. I think you’d have to search very long to find someone on Lemmy as a whole who actually disagrees broadly with the philosophy of Marx. However, when it comes to turning this philosophy into an actual political system, that’s when things get a lot more iffy.


  • Most of those are fair points in a vacuum, but they all collapse when looking at the rest of the world: These weren’t Stalins improvements. Said improvements happened in many (most?) other countries too, as the industrialization of early 1900s improved life for basically everyone. The only real difference is the repression involved.

    Anyway, we’re not going to change each other’s mind, so I see no point in continuing this conversation. Live long and prosper, provided that the state apparatus approves of you doing so.



  • So, since you claim to study history, how well do those quotes align with his actual actions? Or are you simply glossing over how the USSR leadership lived in luxury while the population were little more than mere serfs?

    As for starvation, I’m sure you have an interesting take on the Holodomor and how the definition of “Kulak” meant basically anyone with a potato patch, and how the quotas that caused a genocide were totally reasonable.

    Extracting big words from famous speeches is easy. Squaring propaganda with actual events and behaviors not so much.