I would like to talk a little bit, and hear your opinions, on something not too often mentioned when discussing action resolution mechanics and processes in tabletop roleplaying games. That is when during the process you do the roll. The endpoints on that spectrum can be called Go then Roll and Roll then Go. At their extremes

  • Go then Roll is declaring your action (I attack, I investigate etc) followed by a roll to see how well you did that action. Example: I attack the ogre - roll d20+mod vs AC - on hit do d6 damage.

  • Roll then Go often begins by declaring how you intend to tackle the obstacle (with finesse, by being offensive) followed by a roll and once you have the result of the roll you choose what is actually accomplished. Sometimes you even at this stage you say what your character actually does. Example: I directly engage the ogre with violence - roll [something] and count successes - spend successes on things in the scene such as dealing damage.

As with many other things my preference lies in the middle, a bit skewed towards Go then Roll. Most of my preferred systems lie there, Genesys and many (most?) PbtA to mention some. As I player I find myself more involved in my character’s actions and for longer. Less of a do stuff - roll - get result - hand over spotlight. It is a greater invitation to get engaged in the narrative. When GM-ing it is a bit the same, and more. Apart from dragging the players kicking and screaming into narrative responsibility (slight exaggeration) it is very insightful what the players/characters do after they have done their primary thing. After dealing damage do they got out of danger? Take the foe’s attention giving their mates space to recover? It just give me so much more.

Genesys does this by not only having success/fail in it’s roll resolution by also advantage/disadvantage. Adv/disadv can then be spent on activating abilities or changing (minor) things in the scene to mention a few options. Many PbtA have on some (many) moves “on hit choose one, on strong hit choose two” when when looking at what happens after the roll. Actually the PbtAs does this really well by presenting the result options in the same visual space as the roll mechanics, on the same move card. Visual design is game design.

Interested in hearing experiences, insights and opinions.

  • Di4mond4rr3lEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I think both approaches are good for different type of mechanical avenues.

    I prefer “Roll then Go” for combat, as you try your best to fight and spend whatever amount of successes you gathered for whatever result you deem best in the situation, avoiding “you just missed” scenarios where you fail cause you wanted a very difficult, specific outcome and the DC was set high accordingly. Same for investigation and perception, cause I want to know what your character, with its qualities, makes of the situation, not what you make of it, this is not a puzzle game, your wits can’t surpass your character’s.

    On the other hand, I prefer “Go then Roll” for social tests, cause rolling first just breaks conversation flow, so we use the roll to determine how convincing your character was; his body language, eye contact, demeanor, cadence; these are all things that, altho you can be a great actor and do perfectly, still come down to your character’s charisma, not yours; same goes for outside influence, like horror stuff, as it might not scare you, the player.