• jjjalljs
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    7 months ago

    Ok I’ll bite.

    • why do you “hate politics”?
    • What does “politics” mean to you?
    • Why is “divide” your word choice here? Is division inherently bad, irrespective of cause?
    • how do you define racism? Is it different than prejudice?
    • are you familiar with the concept of heuristics ?
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      Because people use it as an identity.

      Whatever the people that control your life are doing.

      Difference and diversity is good, division is bad. Division is you’re either on my side or you’re against me.

      Any decisions made based on race.

      Of course not, please describe that in intricate detail to me. Please spend at least 15 minutes.

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        Because people use it as an identity.

        Can you expand on this? If someone is gay, walking around holding their husband’s hand, does that do it? What if a man is holding his wife’s hand?

        Whatever the people that control your life are doing.

        I’m not sure I understand. You said you hate politics, but this was your answer for what politics is. Who are the people? Do you have examples of the things they’re doing? Is it like, needing a driver’s license? Tax rates? Spending tax money on libraries? Making abortion illegal?

        Difference and diversity is good, division is bad. Division is you’re either on my side or you’re against me.

        Let’s say there’s one faction that says, to use a hot button example, “Gay people should not be allowed to marry” and another that says “Gay people should be allowed to marry.” How is a member of faction 1 supposed to interact with faction 2? They are in fact on opposite sides of an issue. Or to use a more extreme example, “Black people should be allowed to eat indoors” versus “Black people should not be allowed to eat indoors”.

        Is the problem there the division itself? Would it be okay for you if everyone agreed, no matter which side, so long as they agree to something?

        Any decisions made based on race.

        This is a common, colloquial, usage of racism. Sometimes people will focus on the large societal level rather than the individual. Per wikipedia:

        Academics commonly define racism not only in terms of individual prejudice, but also in terms of a power structure that protects the interests of the dominant culture and actively discriminates against ethnic minorities.[48][49] From this perspective, while members of ethnic minorities may be prejudiced against members of the dominant culture, they lack the political and economic power to actively oppress them, and they are therefore not practicing “racism”.[2][48][55]

        I’m not really equipped to debate this usage, but it may be worth keeping in mind that that’s what some people mean. Thank you for answering.

        Of course not, please describe that in intricate detail to me. Please spend at least 15 minutes.

        Heuristics are generally a cheaper approach to a problem that isn’t guaranteed to be as accurate. Often this is useful when the expense of a more correct approach costs too much in time or other resources. Stereotypes are a kind of heuristic. They’re not always accurate or kind, but they are faster and cheaper.

        Honestly I’m not entirely sure I’m using this concept correctly. But what I was getting at was the experience of “All the previous maga-hats I encountered were hostile, so this one might be, too.” It’s not necessarily accurate, but it’s fast, and sometimes that can save your life. Everyone uses this. Unfortunately, lots of us have bad ones, too.

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            7 months ago

            What’s the point of being here if you’re not going to engage? I’ve been pretty open and honest with you, here.

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              If you’d like to be that detailed in discussion my pms are open. But I don’t think you are. You can pm me at any point and haven’t. I think you just want to engage in public right think against the wrong think. But you won’t, this will get at least -15 downvotes at least. I’m basking in the narcissism. And people are too narcissistic to realize that.

              Inb4 ur a narcissist

              Inb4 wut was inb4

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                I don’t really see how continuing a conversation in the venue it started is narcissism. Can you explain what you mean?

                Honestly, from my perspective it feels like you’re not interested in a good faith discussion. The suggestion that we move to private messages feels a little like a moved goal post, especially after you responded to my last message with “tldr”. You could PM me, if you wanted, though from my perspective that’d be a little weird. Norms differ across the internet, I guess.

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            7 months ago

            You literally asked for a 15 min comment.

            Inb4 it was bait

            Inb4 they activated your trap card 🤓

            Inb4 any other lame excuse to bail or try to save face

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        The problem people here have with you is that you are more devoted to order than to justice. You prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.

        You’re the type that constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action.”