“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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    What evidence are you calling into question specifically? That NATO expanded after the fall of the USSR?

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      I’m not. I’m not the same person. I’m just telling you that you shouldn’t cite an opinion piece as evidence.

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        Oh, in this case an opinion piece in US media is evidence. @catsarebadpeople believed that the opinion (NATO’s expansion partially caused the war) was limited to Russian / BRICS media.

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          Which could have been influenced by Russian media. You and I don’t know because it’s an opinion piece. It’s not a researched piece of journalism.

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              Hey, at least you got the concept of what I’m saying. Don’t trust opinions. Trust actual, credible journalism.

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                I have to agree that completely ignoring the nytimes op-ed section is healthy and brings you closer to the truth. I’m glad we’ve established that.

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                    Yes, not a new point and well agreed.

                    Now let me show you where you’re confused. Here’s the claim,

                    It’s not controversial to say that the US / NATO helped trigger the war in Ukraine.

                    The claim is about the non-existence of a controversy. It’s not about the factual evidence under-girding the non-controversial satement, as you seem to assume.

                    e.g. “It’s not controversial to say that World War I was partially caused by the assassination of Franz Ferdinand.”

                    To refute or confirm this claim about a commonly held opinion requires the citation of opinions. You can convince me that Franz Ferdinand factually had nothing to do with the war, but it wouldn’t refute the statement.