L’année dernière le sujet a été abordés par @AlexisFR@jlai.lu et je souhaite relancé l’idée de dé-fédérer de cette instance.

Je navigue depuis quelque temps sans bloquer la moindre instances question de simuler un peu l’expérience de quelqu’un qui rejoint le fediverse via l’instance jlai.lu.

Les posts qui apparaissent dans le fil et le comportement de la plupart des usagers de cette instance pollue tout simplement l’expérience Lemmy.

Même sans parler de possible liens avec CCP, Kremlin etc… je pense que, à mon humble avis, leur comportement et leur façons de brigader et de diffamer une opinion qui ne diverge que d’à peine d’un poil de leur courant de penser, va sincèrement à l’encontre de l’état d’esprit de notre communauté sur cette instance.

Je me suis opposé sans vraiment me prononcer l’année dernière à une dé-fédération (étant donné qu’ils ne sont pas francophone et que j’aime bien le drama inter-instances de temps temps) mais leurs prises de positions en permanence ahurissantes et (en pesant mes mots au maximum) d’une flagrante dissonance cognitive je dois dire que trop c’est trop.

Je pense sincèrement que malgré le fait nos intéractions soit assez minimes avec cette instance je pense que sur le long terme leur influence est nocive et que, dans l’idée de garder une certaines sérénité pour les personnes et futures personnes qui utiliseront cette instance, qu’il y ai une dé-fédération de cette instance de la notre.

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    19 days ago

    Federation doesn’t mean you should be federated with everyone. There’s still a lot of instances jlailu is federated with. They don’t need to tolerate redfash scum on their porch.

    You probably wouldn’t want to be federated with 4chan if it was a Lemmy instance, would you? I know I wouldn’t want to have anything to do with those assholes.

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      You probably wouldn’t want to be federated with 4chan if it was a Lemmy instance, would you? I know I wouldn’t want to habe anything to do with those assholes.

      neither would i and again; i’m not asking anyone to make that choice for me. i’m an adult human being who can make choices for myself and you deciding what’s best for others you don’t know and will never meet makes you no better that spez from reddit.

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        I’m confused. I thought bothsidism was pretty unpopular in leftist circles? I thought it was fine to deplatform toxic assholes, to make your spaces safer?

        Heck, these guys brag about how they keep their platform safe by deplatforming transphobic and other hateful bigots?

        How hypocritical!

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          bothsidisms is a bad faith argument meant to shut down meaningful discourse and very popular with liberals; but not leftists.

          hexbear is literally one of the most aggressively trans friendly instances on the entire fediverse so your example in this thread about banning hexbear makes it extra farcical.

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            “It’s for liberals” because you don’t like it when it’s applied to you. That does not mean it can’t apply to you. What you’re proposing is literally double standards.

            I know it’s trans-friendly by being exclusive of bigots, that’s the point I was making. What is farcical is your consternation that the same arguments you guys use could be used against your own toxicity.

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                19 days ago

                I misread you, I thought you meant leftists cannot be accused of using bothsidist arguments, which is not what you said. That’s why I deleted my original answer.

                Still, there’s double standards because you think only you can deplatform toxic assholes.

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                  leftists are spectrum that includes liberals; there is no one rule for them all.

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                  19 days ago

                  expand your experience: try using bothsidisms in leftists instances; not the diet reddit instances like .word and .shitjustworks; and you see for yourself.