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    The US has been using propaganda to justify its atrocities, genocides, mass murders, environmental devastations, scores of violent coups, invasions, use of chemical and nuclear weapons against civilians, torture, enslavement, human trafficking, war profiteering, and massive body count for over a century. Far worse, for far longer, and far more deadly than anything Russia or the USSR has ever done.

    You’re right that propaganda is inherently neutral. When Euro-centric news outlets complain about Russian propaganda, it’s completely and utterly without standing, as most of them are part of the US propaganda machine in big or small ways. These complaints are worthy of nothing but ridicule.

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      This argument is literally taken out of a" Russian propaganda for dummies’ textbook.

      Also what are you even saying: because USA did some bad in the past , though Russia has been doing very bad lately, Yet because it’s not USA, Ruzzia is good? They have truly a fascist state man.

      If you want to live in an illusion, enjoy, just be be mindful & respectful of the ones who have been suffering because of constant Russian shelling, killings and bombs. This isn’t about USA, but you want to make it about them. Talking about being obsessed or something.

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        USA has never stopped doing some bad, ever. It is founded entirely on doing bad. It continues to do bad to this day. It is literally engaged in mass murder daily and lying about it. It’s non fucking stop mass murder at the hands of USA globally and their propaganda system has poisoned nearly every single communication company you can name. Russian propaganda could never hold a candle to what the USA is doing every single day.

        You say that Russia has a fascist state, yet ignore that Hitler, in Mein Kampf, literally said his vision was to replicate the US system in Europe and target the Slavs the way the USA actively oppressed the indigenous peoples in the Americas. What could literally be more fascist than the USA? It is literally the thing from which European fascism emerged and when European fascism was defeated, it was the USA (and the Vatican) that distributed Nazis into normal society, appointed them as generals of NATO, and brought them into positions of influence and power.

        It was the US that developed and deployed nuclear and chemical weapons and committed the first generational mass murders in the world, literally dooming millions of future children to violent deaths from the poisons they deployed.

        When NATO bombed Yugoslavia citing “humanitarian aid”, they dropped thousands of tons of depleted uranium on urban populations, and the region has the highest rates of fatal cancers, childhood cancers, and violent birth defects. The US literally murders and tortures children before they are born.

        The idea that a proxy war between USA and Russia isn’t about USA is ridiculous. If you want to live in an illusion, enjoy, but be mindful and respectful of the people in South America who have been tortured, mass murdered, completely displaced and who have been under cultural genocide and complete environmental devastation from the US via direct and indirect military action, training and arming death squads, funding and supporting fascist coups, and dumping millions of tons of toxic waste, and dooming millions to deaths of poverty and neglect through deliberate political action - all of it covered entirely by USA propaganda.

        Forgive me if I think it’s disgusting when Eurocentric news outlets cry about Russian propaganda. They all deserve to be completely dismantled, and they will be eventually.

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          If you want to cry at USA for something they did, do it. But we are crying in Europe for what Ruzzia is doing right now in Europe.

          And, the whole of EU supports Ukraine. As they are our good neighbours. So why the fuck would you someone talking about power abuses, have no respect for Ukrainians which are literally seeing whole cities destroyed on a daily basis.

          I’d expect considering your tales, that you have at least would’ve some empathy for the victims of power abuse. Bur, no, it’s all about your opinion. Me myself and I . Just wonder what your mentor Lenin would say that to that.

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            You are crying for Ukraine which is dying because the US is using it as a proxy in a war against Russia. This is the violence done to all proxies in all proxy wars. The proxies are trapped between the bigger powers. It is very sad what is happening to Ukraine. Russia and US are at war but the battlefield is Ukraine and 99% of US personnel are Ukrainian and 100% of US collateral damage are Ukrainian. Just like every conflict the US adds weapons to, it only gets more bloody and more hopeless. The US created this conflict, it created the battlefield, it created the training and the munitions, it refuses to allow negotiations, it has a strategic goal of harming Russia. It literally says it almost every month through its various mouth pieces.

            We all cry for Ukraine, but some of us know where the real blame lies.

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              What are you waffling about? Did the US force Russia to invade Ukraine? If course not, the Russians invaded, Ukraine asked for aid to defend themselves and Europe/the US are providing the aid because it’s the right thing to do.

              Unless you’ve brought into the US libertarians nonsense that we should be encouraging peace, but have no idea of how that would work as this way is only going to end with the Russians leaving or the Ukrainians surrendering land which they won’t do.

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                What are you waffling about?

                You don’t know what waffling means.

                Did the US force Russia to invade Ukraine?

                Strawman

                the Russians invaded, Ukraine asked for aid to defend themselves and Europe/the US are providing the aid because it’s the right thing to do.

                Completely naive understanding of the world.

                Unless you’ve brought into the US libertarians nonsense

                Ad hominem

                we should be encouraging peace

                I am

                this way is only going to end with the Russians leaving or the Ukrainians surrendering land which they won’t do

                Ukrainians will surrender land as soon as the North Atlantic stops feeding them weapons. And the sooner that happens, the fewer Ukrainians will die and the less additional damage the country will incur.

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                  I just realised you’re from the Tankie instance and everyone of your comments on this site shows hatred for the west in general so I’m going to leave you to your sixth form politics and call it a day.

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                    LOL, using “tankie” and then accusing me of grade school understanding is fucking hilarious