• dimlo@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    It’s not remotely easier. Trains carriages are easy to build, but the infrastructure is not. You have to move and extend roads, demolish buildings, lay the rails, build bridges, if you go underground there will be lots of digging and engineering work to protect nearby buildings, and don’t forget about maintenance. It is only profitable when the population is high enough and people have the need to travel to set places en mass. Otherwise it is just fantasy. If you live your whole live around any city Center, I can understand that you are not going to drive . But plenty of people lived in a tiny town of population under 10000people .

    • utopianfiat@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Oh well if all our transport needs to be profitable maybe we should stop paying for public highways out of income tax funds, and stop subsidizing car and oil companies, and stop funding refinery and pipeline projects, and stop zoning with parking minimums, and all the other features of our nationalized car infrastructure.

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      1 year ago

      Please explain to me: how is it possible to build a new highway through Berlin but so damn hard to build a railway through rural area?

      • WireOwl@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Well for one roads are relatively cheap tarmac is almost fully reusable and is already mostly oil industry waste.

        Rail lines are much more restrictive than roads in where and how you can build them. they can’t turn as sharply or have that high of an incline.

        Also a good portion of most llarge city populations don’t live in the city but commute. Not all of them commute to the same few areas so of course on city exits there will be a bottle neck but it thins out relatively quickly as people fuck off in multiple directions. I guess you could reduce congestion by not allowing most car in the city and having large car parks in key point outside the city. But I’m not a civil engineer or whatever deals with traffic.

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        1 year ago

        Let’s consider how many people living in Berlin vs population density in rural area. It is not building it itself that is challenging but the efficiency of building such a massive network to serve a few people. It is no different than building a helipad to them. Rail maintenance is a costly work. Rails have to be replaced, tuned every now and then or trains will derail. Underlays needs to be replaced. Why bother building a multi hundred million dollar project to serve the few people in rural areas? Do you think trains does not cost energy?

        Are the train going to take 1-2 passenger in rural areas every station? How do people even get to the stations? Are they going to drive? Will they question the point of driving to train station and wait half an hour for the train instead of driving to where they want? Once they get off the station, how are they going to get to their final destination? Not everything is near a train station.

        There are different kinds of people living in different parts of the country so just to say no cars for everyone is exactly the same as saying people should all drive and ban all public transport. We need a mixture of both for everyone to get to work efficiently. In all the bigger cities, public transport is a crucial component. Not so much in less densely populated areas.

    • SamirCasino@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      You’re right, but it depends on the infrastructure already set up. In areas with high rail density ( like here in Europe ), if you can use the existing rail infrastructure, electric trains would be amazing.