In nature you’re supposed to, being able to is related to health problems.
But yeah, I will raise my son/daughter in heterosexuality, if he/she wants to be gay/bi/etc that’s fine. But I don’t expect little boys to like other boys for example
First, it’s factually wrong. Homosexuality occurs all through nature and it’s not a mistake or random abberation. Presumably there’s some advantage to having a percentage of any population not reproducing. Perhaps so that they aren’t burdened with children and are free to fill other roles in their community, herd, flock or whatever. This increases the group survival/reproduction rate, even though they aren’t reproducing themselves.
Secondly, “supposed to…” implies that there’s something wrong with any non-heterosexual individual. It sounds like, at best, you’ll accept their homosexuality as natural but, at the same time, you understand that they’re actually defective. That attitude isn’t going to lead to good things, and not something I would like to see widespread in society.
And finally, the fact that you would even say this points out the need for more education on this in schools, not less.
We’re still waiting for the religious nutjobs to realize that their faith in their specific magic sky fairy doesn’t automatically grant them ownership of everyone that doesn’t.
Homosexual behavior has been observed in a significant number of animal species. A 2019 paper states that same-sex sexual behavior has been observed in over 1,500 species[1]. However, it’s important to note that the term “homosexuality” as applied to animals can encompass a range of behaviors, including courtship, sexual activity, pair-bonding, and parental activities[1].
In terms of specific percentages, it varies widely among species. For instance, about 10% of rams (male sheep) refuse to mate with ewes (female sheep) but do readily mate with other rams[1]. Another source suggests that as many as 8% of rams demonstrate sexual attraction to other rams[2]. Among bonobos, roughly 60% of all sexual activity occurs between two or more females[1].
It’s also worth noting that in many instances, the homosexual behavior is part of the animal’s overall sexual behavioral repertoire, making the animal “bisexual” rather than “homosexual” as the terms are commonly understood in humans[1].
In conclusion, while it’s difficult to provide a single percentage that applies to all animals, it’s clear that a significant number of species exhibit some form of same-sex sexual behavior. The percentage of individuals within a species that exhibit such behavior can vary widely.
By shoving homophobia down their throat and shaming them anytime they behave in a way that doesn’t conform to their close-minded views on sexuality and gender.
Then complaining 20 years later that their kids were indoctrinated by the education system and blaming liberals for the fact that their children went no contact.
Genders are a social construct, yes, but some people are literally born gay. It wasn’t like they chose to be gay - they just are. To say that sexuality is a “result of society” is absolutely ridiculous. To put this in perspective: can you, a straight guy, can just choose to be gay? Can you suddenly decide that you want to suck a dick? That’s how you know it’s not a social construct - you’re literally hard-wired to be whatever the fuck sexuality you are.
I sort of get what you’re saying with heterosexuality being the “default” because it’s quite literally how the human race needs to reproduce, but please don’t go saying that people choose to be gay, because they do not.
This feels like the “One drop of blood” test but for sexuality. Things exist on a spectrum. Gay isn’t just “not straight”. People aren’t gay just because they wondered about same-sex relationships.
Look, why not just come out of the closet. It’s clear from your post history that you are obsessed with thoughts of gay sex. Just admit what you are. It’s 2023. Think long and hard.
The point of this post is to point out that the argument of “teachers are corrupting kids into being gay by talking about it and having books with gay people”. The fact that most people are straight doesn’t factor into it at all, unless you mean that everybody is born straight, in which case you’re just wrong. Btw a useful thought experiment in general is to swap “gay” with left-handed. Would you ever say that being right-handed is the “default handedness”? Would you care if a teacher mentions being left-handed?
If you have a pretty loose definition of default, it’s easy to conclude that right-handedness is the default handedness. I wouldn’t be surprised if OP agreed with that idea.
Right, but at that point “default” becomes a useless term. Elsewhere in the thread OP said they’d raise their kids “heterosexually” or smth, and if they’re consistent with wanting to raise their kids the “default” way, they’d also want to raise their kids right-handedly, as girls (because women make up slightly more than 50% of the population), in Mandarin, etc etc. Nobody’s entirely default.
Sure, you could say that right-handed is the default. And? It doesn’t impact any other arguments.
Going even further into extremes, over 99% of matter in the universe is helium or hydrogen. By that definition of default, helium and hydrogen are the default state of matter, and carbon-based lifeforms aren’t “supposed to” exist.
No, but from birth it’s normal to be told that boys love girls and girls love boy, the child has all the time to realize later who he/she want to sleep with.
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For some people.
“Most common” =/= “default”
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That sounds like a you problem. By the way, able to and supposed to are different.
A me problem? Why ?
In nature you’re supposed to, being able to is related to health problems. But yeah, I will raise my son/daughter in heterosexuality, if he/she wants to be gay/bi/etc that’s fine. But I don’t expect little boys to like other boys for example
The “supposed to be…”, is a really big problem.
First, it’s factually wrong. Homosexuality occurs all through nature and it’s not a mistake or random abberation. Presumably there’s some advantage to having a percentage of any population not reproducing. Perhaps so that they aren’t burdened with children and are free to fill other roles in their community, herd, flock or whatever. This increases the group survival/reproduction rate, even though they aren’t reproducing themselves.
Secondly, “supposed to…” implies that there’s something wrong with any non-heterosexual individual. It sounds like, at best, you’ll accept their homosexuality as natural but, at the same time, you understand that they’re actually defective. That attitude isn’t going to lead to good things, and not something I would like to see widespread in society.
And finally, the fact that you would even say this points out the need for more education on this in schools, not less.
There is no “suppose to” in nature. Nature is literally random
Changes are random, the outcome throughout time is not
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You know humans aren’t the only species that practices homosexuality, right?
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We’re still waiting for the religious nutjobs to realize that their faith in their specific magic sky fairy doesn’t automatically grant them ownership of everyone that doesn’t.
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Sources
[1] Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
[2] How Common Is Homosexuality in Animals? - ThoughtCo https://www.thoughtco.com/homosexuality-in-animals-4164365
[3] Why Is Same-Sex Sexual Behavior So Common in Animals? - Scientific American Blog https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-is-same-sex-sexual-behavior-so-common-in-animals/
[4] 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality - News-Medical.net https://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/1500-animal-species-practice-homosexuality.aspx
[5] Scientists explore the evolution of animal homosexuality - Imperial College London https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/190987/scientists-explore-evolution-animal-homosexuality/
[6] 10 animal species that show how being gay is natural – DW – 08/02/2017 https://www.dw.com/en/10-animal-species-that-show-how-being-gay-is-natural/g-39934832
By Perplexity at https://www.perplexity.ai/search/0d6061d7-b401-4da7-bb90-c953503c2d95
Homosexual Behavior In Animals, - this article has 121 citations.
No, nature is bi / gay as fuck. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
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Gay penguins are about 1 in 5
Male dogs also love humping other dogs regardless of gender too.
…H…How are you going to raise someone in heterosexuality??
By shoving homophobia down their throat and shaming them anytime they behave in a way that doesn’t conform to their close-minded views on sexuality and gender.
Then complaining 20 years later that their kids were indoctrinated by the education system and blaming liberals for the fact that their children went no contact.
By being straight around them and not sucking dick in front of them, duh.
But heterosexual sex in front of them is ok???
Lord, no! We can’t let little Jimmy see a pair of titties! Think of the children!
Just by not doing anything actually, most boys will tell their parents that they fell in love with x girl and gave them flowers
So…exactly the same as someone raising their kid in homosexuality then?
So why are there homosexual animals?
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Yes, very.
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Genders are a social construct, yes, but some people are literally born gay. It wasn’t like they chose to be gay - they just are. To say that sexuality is a “result of society” is absolutely ridiculous. To put this in perspective: can you, a straight guy, can just choose to be gay? Can you suddenly decide that you want to suck a dick? That’s how you know it’s not a social construct - you’re literally hard-wired to be whatever the fuck sexuality you are.
I sort of get what you’re saying with heterosexuality being the “default” because it’s quite literally how the human race needs to reproduce, but please don’t go saying that people choose to be gay, because they do not.
I always feel like “Choose to not be gay” people
They don’t realize not every man wants to suck dick.
They don’t realize step 1 already makes them gay no matter their choices.
This feels like the “One drop of blood” test but for sexuality. Things exist on a spectrum. Gay isn’t just “not straight”. People aren’t gay just because they wondered about same-sex relationships.
Lots of individual animals never reproduce. Why are humans special?
Gross. Why are you talking about “default sexuality” with kids?
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You think being gay is just about sex? Is heterosexuality just about sex to you? If so, I feel bad for you not having any romance in your life.
Homosexuality is a myth made up by the clothing industry to sell all their pink fabric and peacock sunglasses
Why do you want so badly to tell kids about penises going in vaginas? Gross.
Look, why not just come out of the closet. It’s clear from your post history that you are obsessed with thoughts of gay sex. Just admit what you are. It’s 2023. Think long and hard.
Idk, my male dog sure likes to hump the boy dogs for fun.
“alright Charlie, are you a furry little boy or a furry little girl?”
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The point of this post is to point out that the argument of “teachers are corrupting kids into being gay by talking about it and having books with gay people”. The fact that most people are straight doesn’t factor into it at all, unless you mean that everybody is born straight, in which case you’re just wrong. Btw a useful thought experiment in general is to swap “gay” with left-handed. Would you ever say that being right-handed is the “default handedness”? Would you care if a teacher mentions being left-handed?
If you have a pretty loose definition of default, it’s easy to conclude that right-handedness is the default handedness. I wouldn’t be surprised if OP agreed with that idea.
Right, but at that point “default” becomes a useless term. Elsewhere in the thread OP said they’d raise their kids “heterosexually” or smth, and if they’re consistent with wanting to raise their kids the “default” way, they’d also want to raise their kids right-handedly, as girls (because women make up slightly more than 50% of the population), in Mandarin, etc etc. Nobody’s entirely default.
Sure, you could say that right-handed is the default. And? It doesn’t impact any other arguments.
Going even further into extremes, over 99% of matter in the universe is helium or hydrogen. By that definition of default, helium and hydrogen are the default state of matter, and carbon-based lifeforms aren’t “supposed to” exist.
Excellent arguments. I didn’t mean to imply I think children should be raised without mentioning homosexuality.
No worries, I didn’t feel you did!
default because of centuries of religion and culture ensuring anything other than heterosexuality was punished
Default because reproduction
Reproduction and sexual orientation are two vastly different things man.
what’s your take on homosexuality in non-human animals then?
It’s mostly territorial
“Man who found out about homosexuality in animals five minutes ago now expert on the majority of homosexual behavior in animals.”
That’s… just straight up false?
Should everything just revolve around reproduction, then?
What about video games? If anything, they hamper reproduction! So why should we accept them?
No, but from birth it’s normal to be told that boys love girls and girls love boy, the child has all the time to realize later who he/she want to sleep with.
Why is it normal?
Sounds like those kids are being indoctrinated into being straight, to me.
You do know gay people can have kids, right?
And being composed of hydrogen and helium is the default for 99.9% of the entire universe, so why are you creating exceptions for carbon?
You gotta watch out for carbon. I hear it’s grooming xenon.
Get outta here with your xenonphobia
Honestly as long as you don’t care if people are gay or not you’re fine
I don’t know if I’m gay or bi or anything, but I had a relationship once with another man, no sexual stuff just dating
Right so you’re Christian. Got it.
That’s true
But it also has nothing to do with this. It’s as good as saying someone is evil because the sky is blue.
Everyone who reads this needs to block this piece of shit