• novibe@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    What is an eye and the brain if not organic cameras and computers? This is actually an issue in science philosophy.

    There is no material difference between observation through tools and through “the bare senses”. Observation is what matters.

    Observing quantum phenomena changes it. The tool does not matter.

    • drislands@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Yes, but eyes and other sensory organs are passive observers. You can only see photons if they’ve already been reflected in your direction, and whether you’re looking has no impact on if they are reflected or not.

      Feels like a kind of “if a tree falls in a forest” scenario. Whether your eyes were in the way or not makes no difference.

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        9 months ago

        But experimentation says otherwise, that’s the whole fucking point mate.

        I understand logically what you say sounds like it should be true. But science is not about logic and making sense. It’s experimentation.

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          9 months ago

          I’ve done the double slit. Just looking at the slit does not cause the photons to start forming only 2 lines. Hell we did it back in high school with a class of 30 people, and got the wave pattern on the wall no matter who was looking.

          It takes more than just looking at it to get the photons to change behaviour.

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      9 months ago

      It’s not even “observing” in that sense. It’s just an interaction that forces the waveform to collapse. Basically, if anything requires a result, then it collapses. It doesn’t need to record anything or anything like that. It just needs to be effected by (or apply an effect to) the photons.

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      9 months ago

      Actually not correct, words in a lab can mean different things from the popular usage. With Theory being the most popular misconception, as so many people believe that it just means I guess, when in reality it is closer to something we can’t test, but if it weren’t true so many other things that we can test couldn’t possibly be true.

      Typically a theory is never proven nor disproven, it is however replaced with a more accurate Theory.

      Inside of a laboratory, observation means something less like you saw it, and something more like you measured it. All the observation changing it proves, is that we don’t have a method of measuring it that will not interact with it. Which is to be expected given that Quantum phenomenon is legitimately so small that even a microscopic bacterium would say it’s tiny.