Your Windows 10 PC will soon be ‘junk’ - users told to resist Microsoft deadline::If you’re still using Windows 10 and don’t want to upgrade to Windows 11 any time soon you might want to sign a new online petition

  • InvaderDJ@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Why is that a “big worry”? Windows 10 was released in 2015. So 2025 would be over 10 years of support. That’s a more than valid amount of time to support an OS.

    • EpeeGnome@lemmy.fmhy.net
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      1 year ago

      The big worry is that most computers running Win10 don’t meet the requirements to run 11. If they drop support for 10, then a huge number of computers that are functioning just fine suddenly start becoming increasingly less safe to use and the only fix is to throw them away.

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        1 year ago

        Windows 10 came out in 2015 and eighth gen Intel and 2nd gen Ryzen came out in 2018. So it would be 7 years of support unless you bought an older computer then.

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          It’s not when compatible chips started selling, it’s when you could still buy non compatible chips and computers. If I could go to Best Buy last year and buy a new computer that’s not compatible with Windows 11, then that’s 1+ 2 more years for a total of 3 years support.

          So the question is: when could you still buy a computer that wasn’t compatible. That’s the support length for many people.

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            1 year ago

            Good point, although by then we’re getting to variables that MS can’t control.

            I know people have bypassed the spec check to get 11 installed, I think MS should just allow people to bypass it officially for a certain length of time. It’s a pain in the ass to support older machines and OSes, but striking a middle ground is good.

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              1 year ago

              They can keep supporting windows 10. They made money when windows 10 was installed on that computer, so they should support it.

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                They can keep supporting windows 10. They made money when windows 10 was installed on that computer, so they should support it.

                They have though. For ten years.

                I’m sympathetic to MS trying to force updates along. One big problem especially in Enterprise is that the requirement to support ancient OSes and hardware causes unnecessary work, and holds back progress. Look at IE. Or Vista’s performance issues caused by underpowered GPUs.

                The question is how long do you support and how forceful are you on requiring upgrades? Linux distros have LTS releases and generally do a great job on long term support, but even they will start deprecating branches.

                There has to be a middle ground.

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                  1 year ago

                  Are you back to this again? We just went through it, if you bought a computer last year that can’t run windows 11, then no it’s not 10 years. It’s 3.

                  • InvaderDJ@lemmy.world
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                    1 year ago

                    We’re talking two similar but different issues. The first one is support of the OS in general. The OS released 10 years ago, MS supported it for 10 years. The second is how do they handle people who bought computers a year or two or three or whatever after Windows 10 release that had an older CPU. That is where I think there should be some wiggle room. Just put in an easy way to check in the install for example that the user understands that they’re on borrowed time, but they can update to Windows 11. Or if they have to, extend Windows 10 security updates for another year or two. My preference would be allow Windows 11 upgrade, but I’m not hard line on it.

                    The important part is that there has to be a middle ground. Every OS can not be supported indefinitely on every permutation of hardware without cutoff. But there needs to be flexibility for reasonably modern hardware that can run an OS while maybe not supporting some features or just being old enough where support becomes overly cumbersome.