• Telorand@reddthat.com
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    I mean, in the primaries, I’ll vote for whomever I personally like. But when Biden inevitably wins the nomination, I’ll be voting for him, because it’s either him or fascism. That’s not a hard choice to make.

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          it actually has a meaning.

          it sure does. hey, do you think Biden should march into Congress and take the fasces off the wall, or just drape an American flag over them?

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          fascism is a reactionary ideology the arose in response to leftist ideology like libertarian socialism or communism. a fascist society is strictly stratified and forces every institution to serve the interests of the state. liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism. look at the war on drugs or the cias war on communism. then look at every opportunity Biden had to endorse them or hinder them over the last 50 years.

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            That’s not what fascism is (or at least, it’s too broad of a definition). I think you’re responding in good faith, so:

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

            Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

            Being reactionary is a facet of Conservatism, and being on the political right itself, can have considerable overlap with fascism, but fascism itself need not be reactionary.

            But Biden supporting the war on drugs, for example, doesn’t make him a fascist. It makes him a supporter of a partial police state, sure, but that’s still not the same thing. Additionally, he’s made considerable effort to promote democracy, something a fascist wouldn’t do. And if he was a fascist, he would be a darling of the extreme right politicians and media, the “Democrat they always wished for.” Instead, they are doing everything they can to invent evidence to impeach him.

            Biden is a self-avowed Zionist, and part of old-guard-Democrats who support(ed) some awful policies. But there is no way you can honestly construe him as being cut from the same cloth as Hitler or Trump.

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                He most definitely has. Practically every major national address, he’s promoted going out and voting. He literally made an executive order to promote access to voting. Encouraging voting for everyone equally is not the hallmark of a fascist. Ensuring only your own people get to vote is (see Republican efforts to suppress voters, Trump and crew’s efforts to overturn the election, etc.)

                I’m not sure where you’ve been, but Biden is far from being a fascist. You don’t have to like him, but calling him a fascist is simply untrue.

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                  he can push empty rhetoric about voting and still back apartheid. he is the architect of the crime bill that disenfranchised vast numbers of people. you’re never going to convince me he or any other president since Wilson wasn’t fascist.

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                    You clearly still don’t know what that word means. Warmongering and incarceration are two facets of fascism, but that is not enough to make someone a fascist. I believe you that you think every president since Wilson is a fascist, and the reason is that because your definition is so broad, it catches everyone.

                    But words have meaning, and if you want to effectively communicate with people, you have to use the ones they generally agree with. I recommend you find a different word to describe him, because “fascist” implies a whole lot of baggage that he simply doesn’t have.