• ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de
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        1 year ago

        I would love to see regulations define “fair profit.”

        Material costs + labor costs + fair profit = retail price.

        Fair profit cannot be more than X% of retail price.

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            1 year ago

            In the medical device and pharmaceutical industries, this more or less already exists in countries with socialized medicine. It’s not as explicit as my formula, but the price of medications and devices are regulated. Industry needs to demonstrate the actual benefit of a new product over a prior product for the system to pay for it, and the price of the product is then set on the basis of the health economic value it brings.

            Some say it stifles innovation, but honestly, it eliminates the bullshit minor changes that are only made to continue justifying high prices and exclusivity.

            Anyway, I think the “Exodus of industry” argument is an empty threat the shareholder class makes when they feel threatened. A market is a market, and if they want to continue to sell in it, they have to follow the rules, even when they change.

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                1 year ago

                It’s always externalized exploitation because they’re all multinational corporations.

                It’s true that many of the big players are based in the US, e.g. Pfizer, J&J, Merck, AbbVie, Abbott, EliLily, etc.

                But there are plenty that aren’t:

                • Bayer, Boehringer Ingelheim, BioNTech, and Merck Group (MilliporeSigma in the US, distinct from Merck & Co) are headquartered in Germany.
                • AstraZeneca and GlaxoSmithKline are in the UK.
                • Roche and Novartis are in Switzerland.
                • Novo Nordisk in Denmark.
                • Sanofi in France.
                • Takeda, Otsuka, and Astellas in Japan.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_biomedical_companies_by_revenue

                It’s important to note that much of the R&D pharma relies on is publicly funded via academic grants in research carried out at universities. It’s not to say that pharma doesn’t also carry out clinical research, which of course does carry a cost, but a lot of the development dollars for a given drug are spent well before they make it into pharma’s hands.

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        1 year ago

        You need competition. The milk surplus, you want that. Companies should compete and only demand what they need to keep going.

        But if you do that, there is no real owning class. So you need other ways to finance innovation.

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      1 year ago

      I believe UBI will never come to pass because the rich have too much to lose. Imagine a workforce not beholden to the capitalists?