The dems have absolutely given us things to vote for: infrastructure act, record low unemployment, union support with the pres visiting the picket line for the first time ever, we have the best inflation rate across all of the G7.
Yeah it’s not enough but that’s on the contrarians more than anything else.
Sorry, they are not repeating right wing propaganda. They are going outside and having yellow, asparagus smelling, liquid fall on them. Then everywhere they go Democrats are telling them it’s not piss.
I mean generally speaking, if you think the infrastructure bill, inflation reduction act, and billions in student loan forgiveness aren’t “something to vote for”, one of two things are true. Either you’re utterly delusional, or you’re a Republican.
I mean, who else but a conservative could look at these and say they aren’t accomplishments?
I mean sure, they are accomplishments but a pittance for Americans looking for real change. The OP is speaking directly to the democrats setting their sights on progressive policy.
Biden wants to do the presidency like they did in the past, dodge any real conflict and keep the country running for another four years. He doesn’t care that if the country was a car its a Model T and thinks we should be happy that he changed the tires.
It doesn’t matter how many times a Democrat comes up to me and slams their fist saying, “look we stopped the Republicans and we did it without causing any waves.” Me, I want to see real policy that helps every American even if it makes the people on the hill uncomfortable. If you think, “well fuck that guy, what can he do? Vote republican?” I’ll tell you want I can do and that is be dissatisfied even when we both know I’m voting blue all day.
I wouldn’t say some of them are a pittance. The Inflation Reduction Act was so much investment into green energy that European countries had to pass similar bills to stay competitive. I work for a green energy company, and I heard that there were grumblings in European leadership about how much the US was spending.
Likewise, there’s been a ton of money forgiven in student loans, over $100 billion. And you’ve also got the price cap on insulin, or at least some formulations. That change came directly from Biden I think.
It’s significant changes, and it’s what we’re looking for, but I agree it isn’t enough and we need more. We can still appreciate though that we’re moving in the correct direction instead of being stuck. I’ll happily vote for Biden if it gives us more things like this.
I think there’s a key misunderstanding with regards to what real change should be.
The inflation reduction act seeks to curb inflation overall, that’s the goal. How do we measure the success of this bill? Well, that seems obvious - by looking at how it impacts inflation. Yet is that really meaningful change?
If I leave my house once a month, kick a wall as hard as possible, and then go to the hospital, does the hospital patching up my foot amount to meaningful change in my life? The damage to my foot gets worse every month. My actions eat up actual resources that could be better used to help others. Fixing my foot up is both literally, and figuratively treating the symptom and not the root cause.
The hole that everyone falls down is conflating real change to an immediate reduction in events and situations they personally don’t like. There is no single cause behind the high inflation we’ve seen in recent years. It’s not covid, it’s not printing too much money, it’s not republican or democratic leadership. It’s a byproduct of a collection of systems and their interactions with one another. The sum total of countless decisions spanning decades - from actual changes to monetary policy, to changes on how we teach monetary policy, to reactions to the 2008 crisis, or Covid, or globalization, etc, etc.
Putting an end to recent inflationary trends would do absolutely nothing to change the underlying systems that got us here today. It would do little to change our overall social and economic trajectories. The same goes for student loan forgiveness. Even if Biden made education free for all Americans, would the average American find themselves to be in a better financial situation than, say, 30 years ago? Beyond that, would that cost just magically go away, or simply be transfered elsewhere?
Given recent economic trends, cheaper and potentially free education is practically inevitable. The average worker is trending towards generalization, and the workplace is changing so rapidly that a variety of secondary industries centered around providing educational services to already educated adults have ballooned in size over the past decade. There is no realistic future where education isn’t far cheaper and more available, we’re simply at the point now where this reality is being reflected within the perceived pool of actions available to our leaders - in this particular instance made more available by an immediate need to appease a population segment that’s rapidly seen their future prospects dwindle.
None of what Biden has done is new with regards to actual impact on the average American. He has done exactly what plenty of other American presidents have done prior. The sole reason why you assign more value to his student debt relief program or the added renewable energy subsidies is because it impacts you directly, and is something you can relate to. He has addressed an immediate problem that you strongly relate to.
Some years ago I was enrolled in one of the first real college degrees specifically focused on training individuals to enter the modern renewable energy sector. As part of this program I spent a decent amount of time specifically researching climate policy, and in my own time I made an active effort to study the science behind climate change. This was something like 15 years ago now. One thing that was painfully obvious to me at the time was that significant climate change was practically inevitable.
Positive feedback loops weren’t well understood, but certainly studied and documented enough to be raising some massive red flags, yet climate models always seemed to lean towards optimism for what I can only assume was the sake of political buy-in. And here we are, in 2023, only just admitting that we won’t hit our 1.5C target that was set not even a decade prior. Most people seem to have been very aware that nothing meaningful would be done to prevent climate change.
So why then would you equate the recent surge in spending on renewable energy to real change? At this point in time real change with regards to th global climate crisis can only come as part of a massive, collective effort on behalf of the whole world comparable to what we saw during the great wars of the last century. Investing additional resources in a growing industry that is financially viable is hardly enacting meaningful change - that is simply operating as usual.
I just want to say that I appreciate how well thought out your reply is. I don’t really have a response, but I didn’t want to leave you hanging. You bring up a lot of good food for thought.
Maybe pittance is the wrong term but Bidens also done a lot to sit on his own nuts. I want Biden to act for the working class the same way he responds to anytime there may be an economic crisis when the banks fuck up. I want Biden to have the same level of urgency when he sees the blue collar people are flailing.
Now, I know anytime he bails out Wallstreet he gets zero resistance from the other side but for that exact reason we should expect an even greater response for working class people. Sure he will wheel and deal for us but will he ever stand up for us?
The rail unions said that the administration quietly worked behind the scenes to get them an agreement with actual sick days. So I think he will, but it depends on the topic and it may not be visible.
Why should he have to work behind the scenes? Who is he afraid he will make angry that citizens are receiving basic decency?
The owners of this country, that’s who. So when you say, “OH he’s just listening to the GOPs talking points”, the exact opposite. The GOP is stealing our talking points and pretending they could do better when we all know they will do much, much worse.
It says so much that this is the way you talk about your perceived political rivals.
I’m really tired of being called an idiot and a Republican for disagreeing with the Biden administration, and I’m really tired of voting for people who call me an idiot if I don’t support them.
That really seems to be the best Democrats have to offer, though. Each time it happens, I think a little more about voting for the GOP out of spite.
I directly listed what Democrats have to offer, and you haven’t argued against a single one of them. Infrastructure, Inflation Reduction Act, $100B+ in student loan forgiveness. None of these strike you as better offers than getting snarky comments?
I’m sorry, but I stopped caring about political rivals’ feelings after 2016. I’ll sugarcoat things to people I actually know, but on Lemmy I’m going to say it how it is.
That does include admitting fault if I’m wrong. Show why you think the things I mentioned above aren’t notable, and I’ll happily recant my statements and call myself an idiot if they’re sensible.
Mmmm, no. I heard that Biden and his ultra-centrist party have done nothing to stop deforestation in the Messia region of
Mozambique. I’d rather have Trump and vote my conscience than allow globalists like Biden to ruin the Earth.
Haha. Perfectly captures the tune of many Democratic voters. It’s the nature of it though. Isn’t it? The Democrats are broad coalition of like-minded but not monolithic people. The Republicans are a hive mind, cultivated and fed fat on a strict diet of outrage and propaganda media by the billionaire class.
America is becoming increasingly radicalized on both ends, the leftists must side with the center-right neoliberal while the fascists get to vote for fascists.
It isn’t surprising to see disappointment from leftists, even if they still absolutely should vote for the lesser of two evils.
“Biden deserves a lot of the credit for achieving this goal for us,” Russo said. “He and his team continued to work behind the scenes to get all of rail labor a fair agreement for paid sick leave.”
What the hell are you talking about???
The dems have absolutely given us things to vote for: infrastructure act, record low unemployment, union support with the pres visiting the picket line for the first time ever, we have the best inflation rate across all of the G7.
Yeah it’s not enough but that’s on the contrarians more than anything else.
The fuck you talking about
They’re repeating right wing propaganda, that’s what’s up.
Sorry, they are not repeating right wing propaganda. They are going outside and having yellow, asparagus smelling, liquid fall on them. Then everywhere they go Democrats are telling them it’s not piss.
I mean generally speaking, if you think the infrastructure bill, inflation reduction act, and billions in student loan forgiveness aren’t “something to vote for”, one of two things are true. Either you’re utterly delusional, or you’re a Republican.
I mean, who else but a conservative could look at these and say they aren’t accomplishments?
I mean sure, they are accomplishments but a pittance for Americans looking for real change. The OP is speaking directly to the democrats setting their sights on progressive policy.
Biden wants to do the presidency like they did in the past, dodge any real conflict and keep the country running for another four years. He doesn’t care that if the country was a car its a Model T and thinks we should be happy that he changed the tires.
It doesn’t matter how many times a Democrat comes up to me and slams their fist saying, “look we stopped the Republicans and we did it without causing any waves.” Me, I want to see real policy that helps every American even if it makes the people on the hill uncomfortable. If you think, “well fuck that guy, what can he do? Vote republican?” I’ll tell you want I can do and that is be dissatisfied even when we both know I’m voting blue all day.
I wouldn’t say some of them are a pittance. The Inflation Reduction Act was so much investment into green energy that European countries had to pass similar bills to stay competitive. I work for a green energy company, and I heard that there were grumblings in European leadership about how much the US was spending.
Likewise, there’s been a ton of money forgiven in student loans, over $100 billion. And you’ve also got the price cap on insulin, or at least some formulations. That change came directly from Biden I think.
It’s significant changes, and it’s what we’re looking for, but I agree it isn’t enough and we need more. We can still appreciate though that we’re moving in the correct direction instead of being stuck. I’ll happily vote for Biden if it gives us more things like this.
I think there’s a key misunderstanding with regards to what real change should be.
The inflation reduction act seeks to curb inflation overall, that’s the goal. How do we measure the success of this bill? Well, that seems obvious - by looking at how it impacts inflation. Yet is that really meaningful change?
If I leave my house once a month, kick a wall as hard as possible, and then go to the hospital, does the hospital patching up my foot amount to meaningful change in my life? The damage to my foot gets worse every month. My actions eat up actual resources that could be better used to help others. Fixing my foot up is both literally, and figuratively treating the symptom and not the root cause.
The hole that everyone falls down is conflating real change to an immediate reduction in events and situations they personally don’t like. There is no single cause behind the high inflation we’ve seen in recent years. It’s not covid, it’s not printing too much money, it’s not republican or democratic leadership. It’s a byproduct of a collection of systems and their interactions with one another. The sum total of countless decisions spanning decades - from actual changes to monetary policy, to changes on how we teach monetary policy, to reactions to the 2008 crisis, or Covid, or globalization, etc, etc.
Putting an end to recent inflationary trends would do absolutely nothing to change the underlying systems that got us here today. It would do little to change our overall social and economic trajectories. The same goes for student loan forgiveness. Even if Biden made education free for all Americans, would the average American find themselves to be in a better financial situation than, say, 30 years ago? Beyond that, would that cost just magically go away, or simply be transfered elsewhere?
Given recent economic trends, cheaper and potentially free education is practically inevitable. The average worker is trending towards generalization, and the workplace is changing so rapidly that a variety of secondary industries centered around providing educational services to already educated adults have ballooned in size over the past decade. There is no realistic future where education isn’t far cheaper and more available, we’re simply at the point now where this reality is being reflected within the perceived pool of actions available to our leaders - in this particular instance made more available by an immediate need to appease a population segment that’s rapidly seen their future prospects dwindle.
None of what Biden has done is new with regards to actual impact on the average American. He has done exactly what plenty of other American presidents have done prior. The sole reason why you assign more value to his student debt relief program or the added renewable energy subsidies is because it impacts you directly, and is something you can relate to. He has addressed an immediate problem that you strongly relate to.
Some years ago I was enrolled in one of the first real college degrees specifically focused on training individuals to enter the modern renewable energy sector. As part of this program I spent a decent amount of time specifically researching climate policy, and in my own time I made an active effort to study the science behind climate change. This was something like 15 years ago now. One thing that was painfully obvious to me at the time was that significant climate change was practically inevitable.
Positive feedback loops weren’t well understood, but certainly studied and documented enough to be raising some massive red flags, yet climate models always seemed to lean towards optimism for what I can only assume was the sake of political buy-in. And here we are, in 2023, only just admitting that we won’t hit our 1.5C target that was set not even a decade prior. Most people seem to have been very aware that nothing meaningful would be done to prevent climate change.
So why then would you equate the recent surge in spending on renewable energy to real change? At this point in time real change with regards to th global climate crisis can only come as part of a massive, collective effort on behalf of the whole world comparable to what we saw during the great wars of the last century. Investing additional resources in a growing industry that is financially viable is hardly enacting meaningful change - that is simply operating as usual.
I just want to say that I appreciate how well thought out your reply is. I don’t really have a response, but I didn’t want to leave you hanging. You bring up a lot of good food for thought.
Maybe pittance is the wrong term but Bidens also done a lot to sit on his own nuts. I want Biden to act for the working class the same way he responds to anytime there may be an economic crisis when the banks fuck up. I want Biden to have the same level of urgency when he sees the blue collar people are flailing.
Now, I know anytime he bails out Wallstreet he gets zero resistance from the other side but for that exact reason we should expect an even greater response for working class people. Sure he will wheel and deal for us but will he ever stand up for us?
The rail unions said that the administration quietly worked behind the scenes to get them an agreement with actual sick days. So I think he will, but it depends on the topic and it may not be visible.
Why should he have to work behind the scenes? Who is he afraid he will make angry that citizens are receiving basic decency?
The owners of this country, that’s who. So when you say, “OH he’s just listening to the GOPs talking points”, the exact opposite. The GOP is stealing our talking points and pretending they could do better when we all know they will do much, much worse.
It says so much that this is the way you talk about your perceived political rivals.
I’m really tired of being called an idiot and a Republican for disagreeing with the Biden administration, and I’m really tired of voting for people who call me an idiot if I don’t support them.
That really seems to be the best Democrats have to offer, though. Each time it happens, I think a little more about voting for the GOP out of spite.
I directly listed what Democrats have to offer, and you haven’t argued against a single one of them. Infrastructure, Inflation Reduction Act, $100B+ in student loan forgiveness. None of these strike you as better offers than getting snarky comments?
I’m sorry, but I stopped caring about political rivals’ feelings after 2016. I’ll sugarcoat things to people I actually know, but on Lemmy I’m going to say it how it is.
That does include admitting fault if I’m wrong. Show why you think the things I mentioned above aren’t notable, and I’ll happily recant my statements and call myself an idiot if they’re sensible.
Mmmm, no. I heard that Biden and his ultra-centrist party have done nothing to stop deforestation in the Messia region of Mozambique. I’d rather have Trump and vote my conscience than allow globalists like Biden to ruin the Earth.
(just in case… /s)
Haha. Perfectly captures the tune of many Democratic voters. It’s the nature of it though. Isn’t it? The Democrats are broad coalition of like-minded but not monolithic people. The Republicans are a hive mind, cultivated and fed fat on a strict diet of outrage and propaganda media by the billionaire class.
America is becoming increasingly radicalized on both ends, the leftists must side with the center-right neoliberal while the fascists get to vote for fascists.
It isn’t surprising to see disappointment from leftists, even if they still absolutely should vote for the lesser of two evils.
Then they promised billions of dollars of orphan killing aid to Israel, because they just can’t resist being neoliberals.
Yes, they’re better than a party full of fascists and fundamentalists, but so is a suit full of roadkill and excrement.
That doesn’t mean people need to enthusiastically cheer as we hurtle towards oblivion.
Has any new aid been passed for Israel? I thought it was tied to Ukraine funding, which I know hasn’t passed.
Sure the rail road workers loved bidens support lol
Yes.
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
Yup great job weakening the union
https://time.com/6238361/joe-biden-rail-strike-illegal/
Your article takes place before this, and nothing here weakens their union
The rail unions absolutely knew the score from the jump
Whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout
How dare people disagree! What idiots, right?
Disagreeing is obviously fine, but playing cherry pick whataboutism games isn’t that