Hey all. I’d like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.

I want to preface this by saying this is not in a ‘ceding the issue’ way. Over the past year I’ve been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I’ve internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.

The reason it’s taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.

I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.

The consensus we’ve roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I’ll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we’ll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.

lea-bounce

          • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            23·
            7 months ago

            We’re going to just argue around in circles here because you can’t see why making a special exception for the flag of Israel, on the basis that its star of David extends like a shield over the entire symbol to make it a symbol of Judaism, is a fundamentally Zionist and Jewish exceptionalist point in a way that “we got the other flags burning, let’s go ahead and also have one for Israel (despite the tangential and subjective similarity between the fire emoji and the ovens used to cremate the bodies of victims of the Holocaust, two concepts that are only related because the Zionists want their flag to represent all Jews)” simply isn’t.

              • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                20·
                7 months ago

                If someone really uses the new Israel-cool emoji in an antisemitic way, I’ll be the first one reporting it and dragging the user who does it. FWIW they could already use hamas-red-triangle in some way or another to be antisemitic if it came to it.

                Whether or not we have an emoji of the flag of Israel burning isn’t an excuse to let our guard down against antisemites.

                  • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    10·
                    7 months ago

                    I’m not going to be convinced that we should play into 100 years of Israeli propaganda tying it to Judaism in order to prove them wrong

                    What the fuck is this cope? No one but the liberal zionists like you has been “playing into 100 years of pissraeli propaganda tying it to Judaism”, you are the fucking zionazi coper repeating fascist amerikkkan legalistic arguments in support of securing an exception for pissrael, whining about how “MUH STAR OF DAVID == JUDAISM NO EXCEPTIONS”.

                    My IRL experiences are always going to trump the bear site’s theoretical arguments.

                    And my IRL experiences are that the vast fucking majority of people agree that burning the pissraeli flag symbolically or irl is not antisemetic. You have overdosed on hasbara copium and are lost in your own twisted fascist delusions.

                    I’m just gonna leave either way

                    Go away we don’t want fascists here.

                  • john_brown [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    6·
                    7 months ago

                    No matter how many people accuse me of zionism I’m not going to be convinced that we should play into 100 years of Israeli propaganda tying it to Judaism in order to prove them wrong.

                    hahaha

              • Jabril [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                19·
                7 months ago

                It isn’t antisemitic, you and zionists are the only people who think so, every other jewish person here has said it isn’t, and plenty of jewish people who don’t post on this website have said enough on the topic to corroborate that.

                no one on this website wants antisemitism, every instance of it that I have seen has been shut down by multiple people, this emoji existing isn’t going to stop those people from trying to post here nor is it going to stop us from kicking those people out. if all the Jewish people who have spoken up so far are aligned with all the Arabs and Muslims on this issue, who are you to unilaterally claim otherwise?

              • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                14·
                7 months ago

                I’ve spent nearly 20 years organising for Palestine

                20 years of holding back the struggle.

                That’s the issue though, you recognise how closely related they are in the minds of antisemites

                Fascists are neither reasonable nor people so their opinions are nothing but garbage. Look at how ridiculous these fucking Zionist copers are.

              • john_brown [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                13·
                7 months ago

                That’s the issue though, you recognise how closely related they are in the minds of antisemites.

                Why do zionists always feel so comfortable putting thoughts and words into other peoples’ minds?