Hey all. I’d like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.
I want to preface this by saying this is not in a ‘ceding the issue’ way. Over the past year I’ve been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I’ve internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.
The reason it’s taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.
I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.
The consensus we’ve roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I’ll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we’ll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.
For what it’s worth Nakochi was removed as a sitemod due to the statements referenced in this post and the other.
Nakochi did not siteban Zposter and we have stopped requiring self crit posts as it reduces the sentiment of those that make them on their own.
We are discussing further actions but due to timezones that takes time.
I appreciate the work, but, no more half measures? Why are we kicking the can down the road? Personal attachments? Harden your hearts; if they can behave as a user they can stay, but continuing to allow them moderator powers even in a reduced capacity is just asking to continue this saga.
Don’t trust someone who has proven they can’t moderate to moderate…
Because we try to give ample time for all the mod team to discuss this as we have for all actions taken against mods/admins
We have also done this for prominent users like zposter
I mean this in good faith, but why though? Is this just symbolic but will nevertheless result in his removal as mod?
Even Nakochi has said for admins to remove them as mod if that’s what the people want and it’s pretty clear that’s what people are requesting. I didn’t have any opinions about Nakochi before this, other than seemingly unnecessarily aggressive at times, but it’s pretty clear that a lot of people have issues with them remaining as mod and Nakochi accepted the demand. That along with the Zionist flag emoji will seemingly settle this. What else is left to discuss?
they can’t let me win. it tears them up inside to realize i was right again
Those stinky lowlife minority masses don’t know what they’re speaking about, we the highly intelligent admins always know whats best, we only speak in objective terms, surely they will fold under our completely unnecessary police-like bureaucracy, subdue yourselves at once peasant scum
It is possible if we made a separate post “should Nak be a mod?” We would get many in favor of them but that isn’t how we have done mod actions against mods in the past. As proven by the amount of alts doing that type of voting for something like mod actions is easily manipulated
I’m not committing to a course of action right here and now but all the modteam is aware of this post and can read the users issues with Nakoichi
Okay, and I would maybe agree with that if Nakochi was even rejecting calls to be removed, but Nakochi already explicitly conceded the call in this very post. So, again, what else is left to discuss? Are admins/mods going to have sole say in the decision since a popular vote can be ‘easily manipulated’? What’s the process for appeal if the admin/mod team disagrees with users at large?
The point is to give everyone involved, in this case their fellow mods, a chance to speak before taking an action. There will be action today I stand by that, so is it too much to ask for a couple more hours?
No, not necessarily. I’m just honestly trying to understand what the process is since Nakoichi themselves already agreed to the terms being asked for repeatedly in the thread. It may be so obvious to you to not need explanation because you participate in them regularly but I genuinely have no idea what you are going to do or the process.
Is this more of a breakout room, personal discussion on the issue before the action is carried out or is this more of a private vote among mods/admins on the issue to discuss which action to carry out? If the latter, then what is the appeals process if there’s disagreement?
There’s no other place for me to ask really, there’s no Hexbearian Union for me to ask about processes, so I’m just checking in with you in real time about what is going to happen next. I know emotions are hot right now (rightfully) but I’m asking in good faith here.
We have a matrix room with all the mods and wanted to give a chance for anyone to say something before the action is taken. There is a mechanism for votes but as you said since they said they are open to the demod then i don’t think there is a vote
idk all this mod drama but y’all give way too much leeway to users like z and ulysses so it’s not just a mods-for-mods problem
No the siteban came from directly from the “Holocaust Emoji” admin herself
I still cant get over “holocaust emoji”. Jesus christ that is the most insane phrase I have seen for some time. And to deploy it against their fellow hexbears what is this shit
A zionist method of conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism