So nowhere in the article is it mentioned that the supposed “Texas right to secede” is actually bullshit, and a complete misunderstanding of the actual right that they have, which is to be broken up into five separate states.
Except even that is bullshit, because it was talking about the Texas Territory, which was larger than modern day Texas.
The constitution clearly says that;
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
So yes, Texas could request to be broken up, but congress still needs to okay it.
Now, as to the “right to secede”, that bullshit was settled with the Civil War, States do not have the right to secede, not even Texas.
Texans like to pretend the Civil War never happened, and want a repeat, I guess.
That’s true, though to be fair most secessions are illegal and are settled by violence.
My thoughts exactly
Counterpoint: The UK isn’t allowed to leave the EU. There’s no mechanism.
That’s not a counterpoint. The EU is not a country. The EU is an economic and financial understanding between many different countries in order to collaborate on things like currency, trade, tariffs etc. Even if the EU was a country which, I can’t stress this enough, it isn’t, the EU agreement has clear rules for leaving it. Unlike the US Constitution, which isn’t like the EU agreement in very many ways at all.
Having no mechanism and being specifically legislated against are two different things. Brexit is the former, this sounds like the latter.
There’s a difference between having no official mechanism, and having the largest military in the world knock on your door to tell you that you can’t do something.
If Texas really truly tried to leave the United States, it would be war, and they would not win.
To clarify:
Even if an unambiguous majority of Texas would say “we’d like to turn Texas into an independent country”, you’d rather force them to stay by force of arms?
Yes absolutely. Just like in the Civil War, which I am also glad we won.
You don’t get to steal hundreds of thousands of miles of land from a country and wander off. War would happen. Would I like it? No, war is terrible.
Plus, they wouldn’t survive. Let’s say we didn’t retake our land. The inevitable embargo would destroy them. War is war. Financial war is also kinda war.
Cool country with cool rules. Wait, no the opposite.
A 5-year war wasn’t fought in Europe over whether or not the UK was allowed to leave the EU.
And you can smoke pot and get abortions in texas because they’re legal in Illinois. No the US actually has been tested on whether or not states have the right to secede and the answer is no, we had a civil war over it
A Texas independence would not only violate the Constitution, it would sink the GOP in the remaining states due to the loss of Texas’ electoral votes, thus ensuring a Republican president would never be elected again. This is the biggest reason Texas will never secede, regardless of the state’s conservative nativism.
it would sink the GOP in the remaining states due to the loss of Texas’ electoral votes, thus ensuring a Republican president would never be elected again
So you’re saying we should forget the constitution just this once?
I thought this about roe too. Conservatives are really into catching the tire and not knowing what to do afterwards nowadays…
I think part of the reason for this is that the old guard GOP that used Roe and similar issues as the “carrot on a stick” or car to chase, used to have the power to keep it from happening, so they could keep campaigning on it. But the “younger” GOP bought the BS for all those years and now they have the power to catch the car, not realizing it was always just a voter motivational tool, never a real plan. They just saw the old guard GOP as “swamp” that wasn’t doing what they campaigned on, and rode the Trump wave into power for themselves, and are there to catch all the carrots.
I’m always baffled by how people point out succession as illegal as if it’s expected or common otherwise that bits of a country can break away whenever they feel like it.
Would an independent Texas care if there was never a Republican president of a country they had left? Or would the see it as just rewards for those that those to stay there?
Without ideological allies running the US, Texas would be very isolated, like Britain after Brexit.
TIL I support succeeding from the US (as long as I can still move there afterwards)
One of the top questions asked by Texas residents during their last succession vote was if social security checks were still going to be delivered. I hope they do vote to leave, I want to see the realization sink in and the chaos that ensues.
It’s like people don’t learn from history and, in these cases, people don’t pay attention to world history/current politics. This would be “Texit” and it would be called that because it rhymes with another vote where the realization of what was happening sunk in after the fact.
I hate this timeline but at least I got to see that the #1 internet search in the UK the next day was “What is Brexit?”
It also rhymes with “tax it.” Lol
lmao literal FAFO
They do this every couple years. It goes nowhere, never will. It’s just for show so shitheads can get support from other shitheads
ITT: A bunch of people who don’t realize Texas is nearly purple, but gerrymandered to hell. There are millions of us who are blue.
Are you looking for credit for almost being a state governed by sane politicians? Almost doesn’t count for much against fascism.
Texas is certainly not the only state with this problem but you’re also not the only state that’s close to giving Republicans the boot. Until it happens the rest of the country has every right to talk trash on the ridiculous bullshit that passes for political discourse there.
Are you looking for credit for almost being a state governed by sane politicians? Almost doesn’t count for much against fascism.
Democrats care about people, unless those people are in red states.
It’s a stretch to twist my words in that way but if it makes you feel better about the shitty people you share a state with you go right ahead.
It’s a stretch to twist my words in that way
Not much of one. Look at how much “just fucking leave” sentiment there is in this thread. Not one bit of consideration for the victims of Republican policy, because the victims have committed the sin of being outnumbered. Yeah, we all deserve the results of Republican policy because our misery exists to give you something to look down on.
The only time the national party gives a shit about Texas is when a progressive is running against a centrist in the primaries.
I think it’s mostly just the fatigue talking. It’s been a long 5/10/20/40 years of almost constant attacks and bullshit. It wears down the compassion.
Wasn’t talking about you. Just the idiots proposing it.
I’d love to see that happen.
Do you think the US would leave it’s army and it’s nukes in a different country just like that? Texas has a fun economy
Then the Republican party would lose a large red state, we would finally be rid of Republican presidents and houses, no more extremist bullshit to deal with.
The US would flourish again and go truly MAGA as it no longer had to deal with the Republican shit.
Texas has shit infrastructure that they don’t manage well enough to keep up, it would be a hoot
Texas is home to some of the largest military installations on the planet (Fort Bliss and Fort Cavazos) - the federal economic footprint these (and Lackland, and JSB Carswell and a dozen others) bring to their local economies is massive. Hell, the defense industry footprint in texas is ridiculously large (existing and future helos & fixed wing f22/f35 production) - removing them from Texas would crater their economy.
I tend to look at this like another grift to skin more funds from the stupids.
Yeah, nobody currently in charge would be stoopid enough to do this, but then again each subsequent Republican generation becomes dumber and starts doing the things the previous generation only threatened for money and power. I see them dumb enough to try this 10 years down the road
depressingly plausible, I can’t fault your logic.
Joint Base San Antonio is essentially three bases that almost surround most of San Antonio.
As if the feds are just going to walk away from that AND NASA? No way.
New year new secession bill to fail big whoop.
These people killed hundreds because they couldn’t keep the lights on. This state would die from people fleeing before the ink dried on the bill even if it passed…
Y’know, if Texas secedes, we won’t have to change the flag and remove a star if we make Puerto Rico a state. Just sayin’.
Let’s make Puerto Rico a state regardless. And D.C.
Agreed! Oh jfc, I keep forgetting D.C. isn’t a state.
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The United States absolutely would not allow Texas to secede.
This is an absurd escalation that is nothing more than theater.
Doesn’t matter, the point is to divide the society.
The irony being the elected officials would be the strongest opponents. Can you imagine Rafeal Cruz willing giving up his power so his constituents could pay less taxes?
Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
don’t let the door hit you in your racist ass. good luck with that whole electricity thing, we’re proud to welcome refugee from The Christian Republic of Trumpistan
Texas was a slave state & fought for the Confederacy. They mustn’t secede now for the same reason as back then- they will absolutely terrorize & abuse every minority person they can in that would-be despotic shithole.
If you’re going to say “good riddance”, look every woman, poor, black, and lgbt person there in the eye as you do, because those are the people you’re throwing to the wolves.
Please, for Christ’s sake, just leave. Have the plebiscite. Take it to Congress. Let them release you on the condition that all Americans in Texas be allowed to emigrate, fully compensated, and all wannabe Texans are allowed to immigrate, fully compensated, for the next 6 months.
Oh, and we keep the military equipment. I’m sure their ‘well-regulated militia’ will be enough for them.
We’ll leave it there for convenience when we invade since they will be an unstable oil rich nation in need of freedom.
Ugh, no, let them stay out. We don’t need a Resource Trap country to try nation-building on, pretty sure we already tried that one.
Not 80s-90s era ‘nation building’, 40s era reconstruction. If nazi germany is salvageable we can probably figure texas out with the correct level of commitment.
Sounds like a good way to start getting us off that oil teat to be honest.
Also we’ll build a wall at the Texas-US borders, but not because we think it’ll be effective, just because it’ll be hilarious
Best of luck, turds.
Those idiots can’t handle independence.
In tours at the Capitol they brag about how they tried it and they “figured out” that it was a “better deal” for Texas to join the union.
They also brag about building their capitol building “for free” by selling a bunch of unusable territory to a rancher and then regaining it when they gave up or something.
I don’t remember the details but the vibe was hilarious.
Oh yes please. The next hurricane that hits we won’t have to pay for, and when they freeze or melt because their electrical grid collapses we can just watch.
Texas is one of the few financially functional red states so that wouldn’t be a concern. No clue whether they’d maintain their finances if they seceded.
How financially functional do you think they’ll be when they lose all the trade agreements of the US and the ability to freely trade with the other states?
I have no clue, and anyone on the internet who says they do is dubious at best. It’s an incredibly complex question.
It didn’t go so hot after Brexit, I can’t imagine why we should expect Texit to go better.
if I had the money to leave here I would
If you have the money to live there, you have the money to leave.
I think that’s a very naive opinion. Moving is expensive. Even if you don’t have much, coming up with deposits for rent and utilities can be very difficult for the 60 percent of Americans living pay check to pay check.
Not to mention you have to have a job wherever you’re moving to or you’ll be out on the street pretty quickly.
