Liberal tone policing is one of many forms of classism that ultimately functions to ensure the only people with voices are those who conform to speaking in a specific manner of speaking determined by the bourgeois who control the platform. It is essentially controlling tone to shut out people who speak differently to the middle income suburban crowd of people with fairly decent upbringings.
It shuts out everyone who might have a rougher background, internationally it shuts out everyone that comes from cultures where rougher backgrounds are more accepted socially, it shuts down speech from cultures where what we call “bants” in the UK is just socially acceptable and expected.
I grew up in squats. I didn’t “speak right” for a long time. I learned to speak in the sniff your own farts style that online liberals expect and I switch between tones based on audience where I feel I’m forced to. Not everyone can do this and a huge portion of the working class who don’t speak right but have perfectly valid (and sometimes good) opinions are shut out just because some fucking liberal can’t take the fact that they pepper the things the write with swearsies and fruitful imagery.
It’s classist and I fucking hate it. I will always loudly oppose tone policing. I do not give a fuck if someone is rude while they say correct things, they should not be shut out. Doing so is bourgeois moralism.
Anyone celebrating this just because it’s Empanada is wrong.
Yes exactly. Get people on actually important shit, not their tone. Tone does not make someone incorrect, and almost everyone will have a bad tone once in a while just because mood is a thing.
Agree on not excluding people for how they use language, 100%.
Seeing someone present themselves as “Agent of Chaos and Hate” on a platform that is meant to be the opposite, is a good reason to do something about them. There are other platforms like 4chan for people like that.
EDIT: “My shink says I need an outlet for my aggression” - NS2 Voice Line, Unknown Worlds Entertainment.
That’s literally just fruity language knowing full well liberals will fucking hate him because he disagrees with them at a spiritual level on almost every single topic.
The dude doesn’t filter himself for you and leans into the fact he knows you’ll hate him anyway. You’re just justifying your classism and finding your own way to shut down takes that you personally disagree with by saying “he’s rude about them”. You’re doing exactly what I just fucking said is classism.
I don’t know what else to say. You’re a classist. A stinky middle income liberal that demands people speak a certain way or be excluded from the space. If you’ve ever wondered why the working class turns away from liberals it’s because they can feel the classism permeating every conversation you have with them, although most of the time they’ll communicate it as “elitism”. It’s exactly the kind of offputting shit from the libs that the far right has seized upon and pandered to successfully by the likes of Farage and so on. They lean into it, they tell the working class “yes you’re right about those stuck up elitist liberals” and then they become best buds over hatred for the way you judge them and behave towards them from the high castles of liberal moralism you’ve created to shut them out.
You know how poc can tell when they’re speaking to a racist through various cues and feelings without any overt direct racism occurring? Well it’s the same for classism.
You do not really know when to stop, do you? The ad hominem attacks simply make it completely uninteresting to interact with you. Even if your points are valid, which I am not getting in to, they will not be read (at least by me). Some people do enjoy fighting people online. I do not.
If that feels/seems like classism to you, fine. Have a nice day.
EDIT: Also, if that picture is what you have in your head when reading my replies – you are projecting. I have literally never felt like that while conversing online. Nor in real life really. You assume far too much.
Holy shit if you don’t want me to fucking reply to your smug ass bullshit just stop replying with smug ass fucking bullshit?
ad hominem
You people say these debate pervert words because you think they’re magic words that automatically place you higher than the other person, in every fucking sentence you’re just looking for ways to elevate yourself above me instead of understand me. You all think you’re digital harry potter casting EXPECTO PATRONUM every time you say this cringe ass shit. Magic “i win” reddit bullshit instead of trying to actually level with someone. All ego.
Yes it’s fucking classism.
Cast some more magic spells harry, logical fallacy my slippery slope. Now I’m just being mean, I wasn’t lying when I said I fucking hate this shit as you can see.
she isn’t doing an argumentum ad-hominem, she’s just insulting you, those are different things (not that it would matter as this isn’t a formal debate)
“your argument is incorrect because you are a dickhead” ← ad hominem
I used to not have this pet peeve. Then one of my coworkers mentioned it was one of his during a conversation about acquiring other people’s pet peeves. And now I have the same pet peeve because I see it used all the time.
I think it’s good not to do real ad homs in basically any context because it’s still an invalid inference, but you’re also right that it’s not a real ad hom.
BlueSky actively removes accounts made by trans comrades and people in general suffering under imperialism. Platform that is meant to be the opposite of chaos and hate, my ass.
Bluesky is a platform that’s meant to be the opposite of chaos and hate? I do suppose the genocide denial and warmongering isn’t considered chaotic or hateful because it’s the default mode for liberals, but no hate? lol. lmao even.
Its the old “white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice” again.
(I’m sure this is a familiar text to Hexbear readers, but for those visiting, this is quoted from MLK’s Letter From Birmingham Jail
No. The problem isn’t that he calls himself an “agent of chaos and hate”, it’s that he’s a fucking bigot. I don’t care that he’s rude, that’s just liberal brainworms. I care that he’s a massive piece of shit bigot. And yeah, being a bigot is also “rude” but I hope you appreciate that that’s not what’s wrong with bigotry.
I fucking hate this shit.
Liberal tone policing is one of many forms of classism that ultimately functions to ensure the only people with voices are those who conform to speaking in a specific manner of speaking determined by the bourgeois who control the platform. It is essentially controlling tone to shut out people who speak differently to the middle income suburban crowd of people with fairly decent upbringings.
It shuts out everyone who might have a rougher background, internationally it shuts out everyone that comes from cultures where rougher backgrounds are more accepted socially, it shuts down speech from cultures where what we call “bants” in the UK is just socially acceptable and expected.
I grew up in squats. I didn’t “speak right” for a long time. I learned to speak in the sniff your own farts style that online liberals expect and I switch between tones based on audience where I feel I’m forced to. Not everyone can do this and a huge portion of the working class who don’t speak right but have perfectly valid (and sometimes good) opinions are shut out just because some fucking liberal can’t take the fact that they pepper the things the write with swearsies and fruitful imagery.
It’s classist and I fucking hate it. I will always loudly oppose tone policing. I do not give a fuck if someone is rude while they say correct things, they should not be shut out. Doing so is bourgeois moralism.
Anyone celebrating this just because it’s Empanada is wrong.
Correct fuckin take
It’s also just something that results in shitheads baiting anger and then getting the other guy banned
I’ve lost so many accounts on so many platforms like that
This is a great take. Badempanada should be banned for being a bigot, not scolded for his tone.
Yes exactly. Get people on actually important shit, not their tone. Tone does not make someone incorrect, and almost everyone will have a bad tone once in a while just because mood is a thing.
Excellent take
Agree on not excluding people for how they use language, 100%.
Seeing someone present themselves as “Agent of Chaos and Hate” on a platform that is meant to be the opposite, is a good reason to do something about them. There are other platforms like 4chan for people like that.
EDIT: “My shink says I need an outlet for my aggression” - NS2 Voice Line, Unknown Worlds Entertainment.
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That’s literally just fruity language knowing full well liberals will fucking hate him because he disagrees with them at a spiritual level on almost every single topic.
The dude doesn’t filter himself for you and leans into the fact he knows you’ll hate him anyway. You’re just justifying your classism and finding your own way to shut down takes that you personally disagree with by saying “he’s rude about them”. You’re doing exactly what I just fucking said is classism.
I don’t know what else to say. You’re a classist. A stinky middle income liberal that demands people speak a certain way or be excluded from the space. If you’ve ever wondered why the working class turns away from liberals it’s because they can feel the classism permeating every conversation you have with them, although most of the time they’ll communicate it as “elitism”. It’s exactly the kind of offputting shit from the libs that the far right has seized upon and pandered to successfully by the likes of Farage and so on. They lean into it, they tell the working class “yes you’re right about those stuck up elitist liberals” and then they become best buds over hatred for the way you judge them and behave towards them from the high castles of liberal moralism you’ve created to shut them out.
That is quite an opinion you have there.
you’re doing it right now, just oozing smugness
You know how poc can tell when they’re speaking to a racist through various cues and feelings without any overt direct racism occurring? Well it’s the same for classism.
You do not really know when to stop, do you? The ad hominem attacks simply make it completely uninteresting to interact with you. Even if your points are valid, which I am not getting in to, they will not be read (at least by me). Some people do enjoy fighting people online. I do not.
If that feels/seems like classism to you, fine. Have a nice day.
EDIT: Also, if that picture is what you have in your head when reading my replies – you are projecting. I have literally never felt like that while conversing online. Nor in real life really. You assume far too much.
Holy shit if you don’t want me to fucking reply to your smug ass bullshit just stop replying with smug ass fucking bullshit?
You people say these debate pervert words because you think they’re magic words that automatically place you higher than the other person, in every fucking sentence you’re just looking for ways to elevate yourself above me instead of understand me. You all think you’re digital harry potter casting EXPECTO PATRONUM every time you say this cringe ass shit. Magic “i win” reddit bullshit instead of trying to actually level with someone. All ego.
Yes it’s fucking classism.
Cast some more magic spells harry, logical fallacy my slippery slope. Now I’m just being mean, I wasn’t lying when I said I fucking hate this shit as you can see.
kiss
You’ve learned nothing.
she isn’t doing an argumentum ad-hominem, she’s just insulting you, those are different things (not that it would matter as this isn’t a formal debate)
“your argument is incorrect because you are a dickhead” ← ad hominem
“you are a dickhead” ← just an insult
thank you
now if only we could get people not to use “begs the question” when they mean raises the question
I used to not have this pet peeve. Then one of my coworkers mentioned it was one of his during a conversation about acquiring other people’s pet peeves. And now I have the same pet peeve because I see it used all the time.
[searches internet…]
noted ✍️.
I think it’s good not to do real ad homs in basically any context because it’s still an invalid inference, but you’re also right that it’s not a real ad hom.
“Lol that picture of a smug vapid piece of shit has exactly zero resemblance to me”
I’d like to hold up a mirror to you for a second if you’ll allow me:
If you were a FUCKING FRACTION as smart as you clearly think you are, wouldn’t you take a second to read the room?
“Erm aksually you’re the smug one. Ad hominem, wengardium leviosa”
I never associate “Ad hominem”, “whataboutism”, etc to magic words but it’s exactly how people see it. They use it and boom they win the argument.
they hear or read the words but don’t learn the concepts, or are downstream of a bunch of people who used it wrong.
and i say wrong here because they were trying to say something else and failed to say what they meant, not out of prescriptivism.
You are a walking breathing caricature lmao
that’s not what an ad hominem is
Here is the picture I have in mind, you’ll have to wait a minute the server is slow:
Sorry, but the The ad hominem attacks will not stop . Although there’s no ad-hominem here.
Ugh, I wasn’t immediately onboard with Awoo’s assessment of you but then you went and proved it right in eight words
BlueSky actively removes accounts made by trans comrades and people in general suffering under imperialism. Platform that is meant to be the opposite of chaos and hate, my ass.
"Chaos and hate? How uncouth and republican, we’re more into order and contempt"
negative peace, which is the absence of strife
Bluesky is a platform that’s meant to be the opposite of chaos and hate? I do suppose the genocide denial and warmongering isn’t considered chaotic or hateful because it’s the default mode for liberals, but no hate? lol. lmao even.
Its the old “white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice” again.
(I’m sure this is a familiar text to Hexbear readers, but for those visiting, this is quoted from MLK’s Letter From Birmingham Jail
That is the gist of what I got from its presentation when it was new. I hardly nor visit most social media, my perspective may be dated and/or flawed.
No. The problem isn’t that he calls himself an “agent of chaos and hate”, it’s that he’s a fucking bigot. I don’t care that he’s rude, that’s just liberal brainworms. I care that he’s a massive piece of shit bigot. And yeah, being a bigot is also “rude” but I hope you appreciate that that’s not what’s wrong with bigotry.
Bluesky is a liberal hive. There is no shortage of hate, they just dress it up.