From the linked PDF:
Give the officers my ID?
If the ICE officer demands your ID, only show a driver’s license or another ID issued from the U.S. government. DON’T give the officer any false or foreign documents such as a passport, consular ID, or an expired visa.
In NY, the DRIVER must show any officer a driver’s license. If you are the PASSENGER, you do NOT have to show the officer an ID or give any personal information, including your name, address, or place of birth.
This seems off.
My understanding: in the US, nationals need not carry ID (while immigrants must carry their docs). Exceptionally, if you are driving a car, then the state requires you to carry your driver’s license. The DL is the property of the state. The fed does not issue driver’s licenses.
There is no such thing as a US federal driver’s license. The quote above refers to “ID issued from the U.S. government,” that would be a passport. A passport is not going to be carried daily inside the issuing country.
Traffic enforcement is not in the jurisdiction of federal ICE agents, is it? Can they really demand your driver’s license under this kind of false pretense of ensuring that drivers are permitted to drive when in fact the real reason they want to see the DL is to snoop on citizenship?
There are some interstate highways that traverse state borders. Does it make a difference whether or not someone is driving on one?
And what about cyclists? If you are cycling and happen incidentally to be carrying a driver’s license (which is not needed to cycle), must you produce it on demand?
It’s bizarre how that doc singles out New York. How does it differ from other states?
what the ACLU says
The ACLU has some advice:
https://www.acluva.org/know-your-rights/stopped-by-police-or-ice/
This is also a bit imprecise. Of course drivers must show their DL to “police”, but what about ICE? They just leave that up in the air.
Show them what you want, or don’t. They will do whatever they want. Please understand there is not a magic ticket to get them to leave yo alone. They are not constrained by laws, they face no repercussions and they hate anyone not maga
Show them what you want, or don’t. They will do whatever they want.
This is not useful and it does not answer the question. What someone “wants” to disclose of course depends on legal effects they can expect from the decision.
Please understand there is not a magic ticket to get them to leave yo alone.
Please understand that being left alone is not the goal of privacy seekers and activists. It’s the goal of the rest. Activists have higher priorities.
They are not constrained by laws, they face no repercussions and they hate anyone not maga
Nonsense. If you refuse to cooperate to the extent required by law, the court hearing and prior negotiations will play out vastly different for you.
Your contempt for knowing your rights is best kept to yourself. You don’t do anyone favors by advocating ignorance of rights.
“Am I being detained? Am I free to go?”
If you are being detained, express your right to request a lawyer, and then STFU.
If you are free to go, STFU and GTFO.
Remember to say the magic words:
“I am invoking my right to an attorney”
You don’t wanna end up with a lawyer dog
Of course it’s a state like Louisiana. Man, I wish “what goes around, comes around” could somehow be made an effective & near immediate universal reality - the world would be sooo much better for it.
If you read the article and look at the statements, he doesn’t actually ever ask for a lawyer (which was the prosecutions argument). He posits he should get a lawyer if they believe he did it, but didn’t actually request a lawyer directly. The lawyer dog element wasn’t actually relevant to the actual legal arguments being made, if I read the article correctly.
If you are being detained by feds after driving a car, are you showing your state driver’s license on demand?