I can’t even feel superior to everyone when theirs so many arch installers!! I use real arch btw. I thought “I guess I should go to Gentoo” but then wait, CHROMEOS IS A GENTOO INSTALLER!

I feel like we only have two options now

  1. Ascend to BSD-land
  2. Ironically supporting Windows Unironically

edit: I have decided to replace my debian laptop with BSD

  • GaumBeist@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 days ago

    Linux From Scratch or be doomed to be an eternal noob.

    Then it’s writing your own kernel. Then your own bootloader. Then your own UEFI.

  • cygnus@lemmy.ca
    991·
    11 days ago

    NixOS is the new Arch. I’m surprised nobody here has said they use it yet.

    • evol@lemmy.todayOPEnglish
      54·
      11 days ago

      Ive noticed this, arch almost just works but my nixOS friends are always complaining about something

      • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        19·
        10 days ago

        Yessss…

        Come to Gentooooo.

        Come.

        Muahahahhahaha. *Lightning & Thunder!*

        • msage@programming.dev
          7·
          10 days ago

          Gentoo is easy and almost user-friendly.

          Specially coming from Arch it should be a breeze.

          Plan9 sounds like a more exclusive deal.

          • thejml@sh.itjust.works
            7·
            10 days ago

            As someone who installed Gentoo from nothing but a Stage 1 iso and kernel tarball back in 2003, this is crazy to read. I was able to squeeze so much performance out of a 300mhz embedded board back then though compared to most distros… after the 6hr kernel build.

            • msage@programming.dev
              4·
              10 days ago

              Stage 1 and 2 are no longer available (I mean technically you could, but it’s not suggested). Stage 3 was super easy, even with kernel from source.

              It takes time, sure, but it can compile on background. I got 16 threads on my CPU, so leaving 12 for emerge, I can still use the PC.

              I get that people joke about ‘days of compiling’, and maybe it’s real for a huge mass of packages, but even if, it doesn’t stop me from working.

              • thejml@sh.itjust.works
                4·
                10 days ago

                Remember, the days of compiling was back when we were running this on 300-500Mhz single core CPUs with 5400RPM spinning rust and RAM amounts in the hundreds of MB.

                The embedded system I was putting this on was a 300Mhz single core low power AMD processor with 256MB and a laptop 4200RPM 4GB drive. And yeah, it probably took over a day to compile everything… but it ran much faster than a stock kernel as I could customize the system to only have what it needed and leverage the on-chip ssl and video acceleration support. I used it for a NAS and home server for years.

                • msage@programming.dev
                  1·
                  10 days ago

                  I know, but that’s so long ago, yet the jokes are here anyway.

                  Which is shame, as it seems to be scaring away potential users.

          • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
            31·
            10 days ago

            Gentoo is easy and almost user-friendly.

            Specially coming from Arch it should be a breeze.

            Less prone to randomly biting your head off anyway.

            More tame.

            Takes more petting though, to get it to settle.

            • msage@programming.dev
              1·
              10 days ago

              Really?

              I never tried Arch, so I can’t compare.

              Apart from initramfs from install, which took more time, it felt like everything else just worked. Including installing Steam.

              • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
                2·
                10 days ago

                Really?

                Yes. Gentoo really is like that compared to arch.

                I never tried Arch, so I can’t compare.

                Oh.

                Specially coming from Arch it should be a breeze.

                That^ made it seem to me like you had.

                • msage@programming.dev
                  2·
                  10 days ago

                  I just read a lot of Wiki.

                  But when I discovered how cool it is to compile stuff, I went straight to Gentoo, assuming it’s mostly the same apart from packaging.

        • RogueBanana@piefed.zipEnglish
          7·
          10 days ago

          I use nixos and I do recommend it cause it’s cool. You will waste a lot of time, pulling hair trying to fix your config and regret all your life choices but guess what, it’s cool.

            • RogueBanana@piefed.zipEnglish
              1·
              9 days ago

              Simple? lol. It is easy if it works, a single command to replicate an entire system. But without an extensive upto date documentation like arch and having to learn a new programming language, it can be quite difficult for someone new.

        • GrapheneOSRuinedMyPixel@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          10 days ago

          After about a thousand commits in my config I no longer know how to do stuff the normal way. A few days ago I spent 20 minutes trying to figure out how to run python with modules without resorting to shell.nix

      • cygnus@lemmy.ca
        11·
        10 days ago

        I didn’t - I was just commenting on how its users are the new Arch users. It isn’t a compliment.

    • rozodru@piefed.socialEnglish
      5·
      10 days ago

      As a NixOS user…yeah don’t recommend it. Don’t get me wrong I absolutely adore NixOS but suggesting people switch to it when their current distro works perfectly fine for them is a disservice.

      NixOS makes the hard things easy, and the easy things hard. It’s incredibly frustrating trying to get something that should be insanely easy to work on NixOS. A good example of which is Neovim with Lazyvim. on every other distro it’s not a big deal, it should be easy to install right? on NixOS you’ll be pulling your hair out trying to get the meson tree-sitter crap to work correctly. Or you’ll find stuff that has been specifically re-packaged or put into a flake to work for NixOS. ok that’s fine, that’ll work on SOME peoples configurations but if yours is ever so slightly more unique it won’t. And then you start to wonder and question if your configuration is wrong but the thing is with NixOS there’s no right or wrong with the configuration. Some people will suggest you use flakes, some people will say don’t bother. Some will say you should put every single thing in modules, some will say don’t bother.

      So the problem is with NixOS is that when you start using it and understanding it going to another distro feels like you’re somehow reverting. BUT there’s the potential issue of getting stuck in the rabbit hole that is constant NixOS configuration adjustments to try and get that most perfect and smooth config out of your system. Currently I’m on Arch because I’m taking a “vacation” from NixOS. I have some important projects that are due soon and I just needed to get into a distro that will allow me to focus on them. In a couple weeks time however I know I’ll be back on NixOS.

        • Limerance@piefed.socialEnglish
          4·
          10 days ago

          The excellent answer by @bartydecanter@lemmy.sdf.org already presented the cool features of the file system. There are a bunch of other interesting features found throughout the OS.

          Pervasive multithreading and multitasking makes Haiku very reactive and fast, even under load. Back when BeOS came out, the killer demo was playing several videos simultaneously without stutter. This is of course less impressive today, but you can fell this all over the OS when using it.

          Window management has two really cool features called Stack and Tile. Enabling you to stick windows together, so they move as one. On top of that you can put several windows from different applications together into one tabbed window bar . It’s super cool and unique.

          The biggest difference when using it compared to the big desktop operating systems today is that it gets out of your way and just lets you do things. Using it will make you realize how cumbersome the current desktop has become. Of course there are some security downsides, as there’s no pervasive sandboxing, rights management, and so on.

          Running on real hardware can be difficult because of a lack of drivers. I highly recommend trying it in a VM (VirtualBox, qemy, UTM) first. The increasing number of ports (mostly FOSS stuff you know from Linux) make this operating system actually practically usable. The ports don’t take advantage of the Haiku specific features, but are great overall. Especially the KDE apps are a good fit.

          Some people say it’s ready to be a daily driver even it’s still in beta, others say it’s what Linux used to be .

        • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
          6·
          11 days ago

          If nothing else try it in a virtual machine for sure. Peripheral support can be spotty. One of the bigger hitches for me was getting a relatively up to date browser binary installed. I hear it’s getting better. I ran BeOS on a Pentium II back in the day. It was awesome.

  • unmagical@lemmy.ml
    35·
    11 days ago

    There’s always LFS.

    But if you really wanna bail on tux, Haiku, Plan 9, or ReactOs

        • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
          3·
          10 days ago

          They part where you can actually make enough money to pay the taxes on your land. ;)

            • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
              2·
              9 days ago

              I’ve driven an 8n ford, a john deere 40 and an international h1000 over the years, They don’t last forever and parts aren’t always available. And while they’re each powerful beasts compared to horse drawn equipment, you’re not going to adequately manage 300 acres with them these days. You need quite a bit of scale to compete these days.

      • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        11 days ago

        probably quicker and easier to just write whatever calculation you need in python

      • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
        3·
        10 days ago

        (10^100) + 1 − (10^100) is 1, not 0.

        A “computer algebra system” would have accomplished a similar goal, but been much slower and much more complicated

        $ maxima -q

(%i1) (10^100)+1-(10^100);

(%o1)                                  1
(%i2)

        There’s no perceptible delay on my laptop here, and I use maxima on my phone and my computers. And a CAS gives you a lot more power to do other things.

    • evol@lemmy.todayOPEnglish
      8·
      11 days ago

      Lol new license, you way read my source code but you may not run it/use it/ do literally anything with it

    • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
      5·
      10 days ago

      &

      Got an old wild idea resurfaced from that…

      An OS “entirely” in Haskell.

      … calculator: ghci.

      … window manager: xmonad. … (and… a rewrite of X11 protocol in Haskell, sufficient to run xmonad).

      … text editor: yi

      … … and a Haskell shell… would surely be named hash.

      I already have irc bots made from the tutorial to make an irc bot in Haskell… that could be converted to an irc client.

      … doubtless many more Haskell tools to populate the rest of the purposes.

      … Haskell tools to interface with the web could be interesting…

    • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
      1·
      10 days ago

      At first I thought you meant merely compiling everything by hand [(with make)], like LFS (and then thought LFS without following LFS… and then thought make life easy, start with just a kernel and busybox (or toybox)).

      But yeah… that’d be the real kudos.

      I’ve made a small start towards that, having written my own text editor. (And, I suppose, in a way, my own irc client, “diis”.)

      But that’s a long way from writing my own kernel and userland and other advanced accoutrements.

      Maybe instead of writing own kernel, could just fork one. … Maybe Ironclad… or even Hurd.

      • [object Object]@lemmy.world
        2·
        10 days ago

        Since you already did the hard part and now have a text editor, you just need to make it run on bare metal, and then go the Emacs way of having everything else run in the editor.

    • sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      14·
      10 days ago

      I remember the BeOS guys doing a demo at my LUG before they release the BeBox (or whatever their computer was called). That OS was so ahead of it’s time. There were about 200 of us just gasping at how good it was and what it could do. Actually using BeOS on a PowerPC ended up being an on ramp for me to Linux. By the time Haiku came out, life was too busy and I was too entrenched in Linux. Maybe now that I’m retired I’ll take a look at it.

  • highball@lemmy.worldEnglish
    25·
    10 days ago

    Open source Windows obviously. https://reactos.org/

    All these recent Windows to Linux converts, whining about how Linux should be more like Windows, should be going to ReactOS. They want open source Windows, not open source Unix.