Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
Feddit.org’s explanation for this situation seems to fit into a few common variations:
- They accept both pro- and anti-Zionist members, so it’s not proof of a bias.
- They [choose to] comply [in advance] with strict German / Swiss / Austrian laws regarding [overly broad] “antisemitic” language, or they might get in trouble.
- Calling for the destruction of Israel must obviously mean you want to kill every last man, woman and child, rather than simply wanting to overthrow Netanyahu’s genocidal fascist regime. Because [bad faith] reasons.
- Lots of Euros (and Germans specifically) are pro-Zionist, so they feel like they have to accommodate this view.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. As such, I am calling for feddit.org to:
- Explicitly prohibit pro-Zionist accounts from joining.
- Take measures to resolve their claimed legal issues, e.g., moving their server location to a less regulated jurisdiction, and ensuring that admin accounts remain anonymous regarding their location.
- Stop referring to folks who call for “Death to Israel” or similar as though they are the terrorists or violent extremists. The Zionist Israeli settlers, the murderous IDF rapists, and the entirety of the Israeli government are clearly the violent ethnostate extremists we should be worried about, not the Palestinians in Gaza who are fighting for their lives every single day against completely disproportionate levels of Zionist violence.
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again.
I’ve also pulled out some choice morsels from the modlog to illustrate the sort of thing we are talking about:
This one says it all… mrdown@lemmy.world being banned for calling out feddit.org users for being Zionist apologists. It’s apparently “xenophobic” to state a few hard truths.
If you have had similar experiences on feddit.org, please feel free to share in the comments.
Voting instructions
I am proposing to ban the following communities from feddit.org, which seem to be the most problematic communities in terms of hosting pro-Zionist posts/comments:
- https://feddit.org/c/YUROP
- https://feddit.org/c/europe
- https://feddit.org/c/buyfromeu
- https://feddit.org/c/europa
- https://feddit.org/c/dach
- https://feddit.org/c/deutschland
- https://feddit.org/c/germany
Upvote this post if you want dbzer0 / anarchist nexus to ban these communities.
Downvote this post if you’d prefer not to ban these communities.
Note 1: Votes from external instances do not count, unless one of our admins has vouched for you.
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
Note 3: Although I don’t really expect this to happen, if feddit.org agrees to make policy changes to address these issues then we are willing to reassess the situation.
You defending feddit.org against for their clear examples of Zionism really drives home what I already suspected. You’re not actually concerned about antisemitism as the rest of the feddit users claiming they were seeing dogwhistles. You simply support the genocidal Apartheid state.
I’m going to repeat it here: there was nothing wrong with the Tweet itself and there’s no relation to any dogwhistling. I have solely deleted it because it was posted by a neo-Nazi account, as you pointed out to me.
All of the feddit.org criticism came from “Israel = Jews and therefore making a generalizing claim about Israelis = antisemitic”.
Here’s the Tweet without the neo-Nazi’s handle for reference.
Not commenting on the rest, but the Tweet itself doesn’t show anything genocidal.
It does clearly show that the current CEO of Discord is attempting to clearly identify Discord users and that the Israeli govt might have a hand in it, as they could be a potential buyer of the data.
Israel influencing a ceo to shut down anti occupation voices is pro genocide
To know that, I would have to know that there are anti-occupation voices on Discord.
And maybe I would also have to be using Discord.
But I didn’t press “Accept”.
Also, a tweet reporting that someone is doing something pro-genocide, doesn’t make the tweet pro-genocide.
Nobody said it’s genocidal.
Have you ever been to 4chan?
Maybe I have the wrong definition of “Nazi”?
Maybe. I don’t remember if I did.
Nazis aren’t defined or recognised just by open calls for genocide. Building suspicion of and hatred of Jews is also a commonplace activity.
That makes sense, because if you did the tweet would be a red flag.
If you deny all of the context and the intent behind it, sure.
To deny even accidental resemblance of your title with a fascist dogwhistle is flat‐eartherism that I won’t waste time arguing against.
No, the criticism came from noticing the fascist dogwhistle (even if accidental) in line with the typical fascist format of the tweet. The meaning of the phrase/dogwhistle was problematised by at least one commenter before me, so you’re lying on that count.
If you’re talking about TrickDacy that’s a known Zionist.
You didn’t have to defend Feddit Zionism here because it’s unrelated to my post. Yet you did, so it’s obvious what your angle is now.
Can we put this debate about an obvious misunderstanding to rest already? I believe @antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com acknowledges that it was accidental. I don’t think they have any malicious intent. And I don’t think they think you have any either.
The whole point of antisemites hiding behind antizionism is to make antizionism sound antisemitic. You accidentally posted a fascists tweet. You used a very common phrase that became a somewhat obscure meme among fascists. This triggered a false positive alarm. You deleted the post because it was giving off bad vibes (and you won’t see me break a lance for the fedditors reaction to that, it was wayyy off base) and antonim correctly identified it as a false positive alarm.
(edit: sorry about all the “You” sentences in the previous paragraph i don’t mean be accusatory)
Their main post is about what they perceive as a knee-jerk reaction to fedditors, to which I would say it’s not out of nowhere and I’ve posted at length about it in a reply to them.
They’re not suspicous of you but why some lemmy users were ready to throw down with the fedditors so eagerly over what antonim perceived as a very clearly objectionable post.
This post isn’t specifically about my post though, it’s about feddit.org in general and contains many examples.
My own ban from feddit.org (which isn’t included in this post) was for calling out lying Zionists that Palestine protesters “engaged in destruction of property and therefore the Nazi German government had the right to use violence against them”, which was a complete Zionist fabrication.
right, but it’s kind of what this comment chain seems to have devolved to. Idk, maybe I’m off base or misunderstanding something, I’m having a hard time with words today it feels like, forgot my meds as well apparently lol.
For some reason they felt the need to keep bringing up my post, a common theme with people who do ad-hominems for a certain cause.
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