• Rhoeri@piefed.social
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        17 days ago

        Pretty cool how you cherry picked the perfect images to illustrate your point.

        The first photo?

        Why not show the thousands of other soft drinks/fruit drinks that exist?

        The second photo seems to be missing all the mom and pop cafes and sandwich shops that number in the hundreds of thousands that offer food from around the world.

        The third photo is just too fucking stupid to even point out how fucking stupid it is.

        Be fair. If you’re going to hate on something, do it using real-world examples. Not ridiculous cherry-picked bullshit. Capitalism is flawed as any unchecked socio-economic system would be. But dishonesty in presenting an argument against it only impresses people that are dumb enough to not see it for the bad faith it possesses.

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        16 days ago

        Tell me you don’t understand how competition breeds innovation without telling me.

        Also, explain to me how nearly every country that exists, uses a capitalist socioeconomic system if it is such a failure.

        And yes, capitalism is how we got not only the iPhone, but mobile phones in their entirety- along with the services that allow them to work- aerospace engineering, advances in pharmaceutical technology, and pretty much everything you see around you. Is it perfect? Fuck no- no unchecked system is ever going to be, but unless you have a working model to present that illustrates how you can get the largest superpower on the planet to convert its entire government and economic footprint- maybe can the smug bullshit.

        Though do be sure to go ahead and keep using all the things capitalism allowed to happen as a result of a free market while pretending to stand firmly against it. I’m sure all the people in whatever circles you post in that are dumb enough to not see the hypocrisy will think you’re soooo kewl!

        Everyone else will see it for what it is.

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          16 days ago

          Innovation has always stemmed from some form of socialist institution - state funded research nowadays.

          Free marked only enabled ethically-acceptable exploitation of the global south under the disguise of ‘rapid progress’, when in fact nothing society-breaking hasn’t been invented since the internet.

          And if you know the history of the internet and technologies involved, you know how much capitalism has done for it - absolutely nothing.

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          Of course it encourages innovation, but you seem to think that innovation is exclusive to capitalism.

          nearly every country that exists, uses a capitalist socioeconomic system

          One of the big reasons is the US “spreading democracy”, among others

          no unchecked system is ever going to be

          This is the point. It’s been allowed to go so out of control that people want radical change now

          capitalism allowed to happen as a result of a free market

          Capitalism != market economy

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            16 days ago

            Cool, so we agree it’s not that capitalism is the problem- it’s that it’s been unchecked that’s the problem.

            Makes me wonder what unchecked socialism would look like. Maybe we should ask Bulgaria.

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              16 days ago

              Unchecked capitalism? How do you check it? Please explain, oh great intelligence. (Before you say regulation I need you to think).

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                16 days ago

                How do you check ANY rampant system?

                You think socialism is impervious to corruption? If so, Bulgaria would like a word with you.

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                  Did workers control the means of production in Bulgaria at the time you are talking about or was it state capitalism disguised as socialism? Maybe we should talk about that.

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          16 days ago

          Turns out its actually cooperation and not competition that breeds innovation. Capitalist firms artificially simulate this internally. I think it was Lowes that tried to run its departments through competition by pitting them against each other and the business nearly went under. Not to mention a lot of innovation ultimately comes from socialist funding of research in universitiese (eg iPhones, mobile phones and their networking, aerospace engineering, advances in pharmaceuticals, etc).

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            16 days ago

            Sears did that too, so did AT&T, its really common for a CEO to drink the kool-aid and say “lets try capitalism inside the company!” Followed by disaster.

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            16 days ago

            Whatever makes you feel better. There is no point in debating this with people that will force their opinion to be the correct one.

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          Can you name me the last drug that Pharma companies came out with that wasn’t developed in an evil socialist government funded university, and that wasn’t just a change in a single molocule in order to extend a patent so the CEO can buy another yacht?