Here’s the process as I understand it (please correct my errors):

  1. USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
  2. “Israel” attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.
  • Why does the USA love Israel so much?
  • What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
  • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    3 days ago

    By doing this Israel wants a more friendly government.

    Israel knows there will never be a friendly government to them in Iran, Israel knows that hatred for Israel is broad and will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression from Israel. They’re hoping to turn Iran into the next Syria, keep them fighting amongst themselves so they can’t turn their ire towards them.

    • CactusEcho@piefed.social
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      2 days ago

      Israel knows there will never be a friendly government to them in Iran, Israel knows that hatred for Israel is broad and will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression from Israel.

      I dunno. Lots of iranians don’t like their government.

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        2 days ago

        Yes, and a lot of Iranians support their government, or want a theocracy that’s even more paternalistic. If the regime falls now you’ll most likely see either a military dictatorship take over to suppress the various conflicts and contradictions in the country, or those conflicts flare up into a civil war between theocrats and Democrats similar to Syria. Israel wants the civil war because a military dictator is still probably going to shoot missiles at them, arm Hezbollah and Hamas etc. while a civil war all the missiles are fired within the country.

        Israel doesn’t want a unified Iran, whether under a democracy or dictatorship, because Iran is mostly unified under their hatred for Israel due to its various crimes.

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          2 days ago

          I think you are wrong.

          Israel doesn’t want a unified Iran

          I think it’s better for israel to put someone with whom they can cooperate than to let it go to a civil war.

          because Iran is mostly unified under their hatred for Israel due to its various crimes.

          IMHO, this isn’t true. Israel was able to pinpoint the location of top political figures extremely easy. That means that the civil society hates more the government than israel. If they hated israel more then, they wouldn’t be able to pull the moves they did (like killing a hamas top operative in a safe house)

          Anyway, this is just a guessing exercise. Nobody knows the future. Let’s hope for the best for the iranian people.

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            Israel was able to pinpoint the location of top political figures extremely easy. That means that the civil society hates more the government than israel.

            This shows more the competence of the mossad / CIA then broad support for Israel. They just need to compromise/ payoff one person at the top of the regime to get the ayatollahs location and then bomb it.

            I think you’re vastly underestimating the hatred of Israel in Iran. It’s not like here in the US where people are just starting to come around to the idea that Israel is a bad actor despite the efforts of the media. In Iran the media has been constantly showcasing the atrocities of Israel and the plight of the Palestinians for decades. Even if that wasn’t enough they just bombed the country and started a war with no reason given. Even if some people hate the government more than Israel they still hate Israel, and if given a chance to decide their government, if this one falls, they will probably pick one that is antagonistic to Israel.

            Same in Gaza and this is why Israel will never let there be elections in Gaza. They know that if people can vote they will vote for a government hostile to Israel, just like they did in 2006. They don’t want a government with popular support and legitimacy because it’ll make them look even worse when they bomb them.