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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Socialism@lemmy.mlEnglish · 21 天前

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Socialism@lemmy.mlEnglish · 21 天前
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  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    Having grown up in USSR, I would say that it was a good example of a socialist state. It was unarguably more good than bad, and anybody with even a minimally functioning brain can see that the collapse of USSR was a huge tragedy for humanity. But perhaps you see capitalist restoration in the eastern bloc as a positive?

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      I don’t particularly care about the eastern bloc. I just usually hear people, even “communists” talk about Stalinism being pretty bad.

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        It was correct of you to put communists in quotes there.

        • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world
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          Why’s that?

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            Because no actual communist would say anything of the sort.

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              They would support stalin/lenin/mao?

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                The overwhelming majority of Marxists worldwide do. Opposition to those 3 is largely a western thing.

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                  Learn something new every day

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                    The ritualistic demonization of revolutionaries is largely a western tradition.

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                Yes, they absolutely would because Stalin, Lenin, and Mao drastically improved the conditions for the working majority. For example https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/

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                All Marxist-Leninist communists support Stalin, Mao and Lenin, yes. These three men are not what the capitalists tell you, they were not brutal, dictatorial, mass murderers. The capitalists have to demonise them through lies because they were so effective as anti-capitalist leaders and they don’t want the masses to be inspired by them. It took me time to find that out and it might take you a while too.

                Most Russians view Stalin and Lenin positively and most Chinese people view Mao positively too. Well, why would they if these men were so evil you might wonder? Well it’s either that their governments are lying about who they are or our governments are (it is the latter), however it is up to you to investigate this.

                Here is a good place to start, the uploader is not a communist so you cannot claim bias btw, also I don’t agree with every conclusion he comes to but he is mostly correct:

                What If Everything You Knew About Stalin Was A Lie?

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                If they’ve actually read theory and studied real world conditions, yes.

                Let alone Stalin and Mao, any communist who disregards Lenin’s contribution to communist theory and praxis is basically just in it for the vibes and contrarian views to “own the left” (sort of like the MAGA “own the libs” nonsense)

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      Removed by mod

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        meanwhile in the real world

        • A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country’s economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country’s switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary’s integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.

        • The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.

        • Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an “illegitimate state.” In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

        • A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -“during the time of socialism”. The survey focused on the respondents’ views on the transition “from socialism to capitalism”, and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito’s rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as “more or less the same”. 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions.

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          Based on the prior comment, whatever it was. I guess disagreeing isn’t really an option lol. ML is a hell of a place. But hey, I got some new information out of this.

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            It really is your own decision to get offended at people trying to educate you by citing sources.

            • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world
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              Lmao in what way am I being offended ??? Someone else said something, I’ll never know what, and it got removed. That let me know I need to be on my best behavior not to break any of the “TBD” rules.

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                Look in the modlog

                • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world
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                  How? I’m on a phone.

                  • BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml
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                    Click the three dots. You can also use this to access moderation history for all users.

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            You can always just look at the comment in the modlog. They do not get removed for “simply disagreeing.”

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            .world shitlibs really do think they should be able to behave as badly as possible without ever being subject to any rules

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              Rule 2, you’re breaking it. And, that hurt my feelings

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