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One is disappointing. The other is openly vicious. Its not close.
Disappointing? Supporting genocide is not disappointing, it is inhumane.
One is worse, both are awful and need to go.
One of them is clearly more awful.
So make sure to vote, or it will only make things worse.
And after you vote for the genocide abroad not at home party, make sure you organise to bring them both down. One being better does not mean it is good.
Yup, this is the way.
Be careful putting change in the “they’re both the same” jar (as the original post could indicate). This us a very real propaganda tactic Trump and his party is using to eliminate votes against him.
They are both awful, but not equally awful.
Both parties defend the status quo, they just have different methods of doing so. I imagine that Republicans and establishment Democrats communicate behind the scenes a LOT more than we expect.
It has a name. No, we are not in it. We also can’t join it.
Time to tear it down.
Funny, I thought this was the term that you were going to bring up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe
there is a lesser evil, but its so marginal. especially since both parties are in the pockets of Israel and the billionaire class.
Every fucking time some libshit seppo comes along, because we’re never more than 2 years away from some sort of election.
If you don’t want to see leftist critiques of your shitty parties, stop going to leftist spaces. I’ve had enough of this shit.
This meme isn’t a leftist critique. It’s literally a both sides demobilisation device.
If you asked a hard right strategist how to engage leftists in their campaign, it would be exactly this. Get them to portray their only viable candidate as being the same as the alternative.
No leftist thinks democrats are left. Only liberals think that and they are right wing.
actually, I am a leftist who went past Marx while at uni studying neomarxism in 2003; I think Democrats (US) are right wing cos they are by any reasonable light, but also due to the Overton window are left in America and therefore should be supported over even more right wing reactionaries
even being someone angry with US democrats being corpo shills I have to wonder wtf logic is this?
for anyone to claim there isn’t a wide gulph in outcomes between voting republican vs dem is either arguing in bad faith or just really oblivious
were you not born before 2016?
forget 2016 even, how can you think what Trump is doing now compares to America under Biden?
It’s like we have two choices, one is a piece of shit and the other is a mountain of shit, they’re both shit but the only sensible choice is to pick the smallest amount of shit
That’s a sensible choice only if your end goal is an ever shittier thing.
As someone else pointed out you’re on the tip of going full third reich and you can’t even rise up like French school kids.
It’s a cowards choice, not a sensible choice.
You’re on the tip of going full third reich
And you’d have America rush past that tip rather than pull back. You’re an accelerationist who rallys for the deaths of millions because you’ve decided it’s inevitable.
Pull back? Lmao. Are you new?
No, I’d rather Americans actually revolt and change the outcome.
You would rather America goes third reich in 12 more years. You’re a fascist who wants the path of least resistance to it.
Unfortunately there’s not much I can do as an individual besides protesting and educating people about the issues with our current system, and voting for the least bad choices within the constraints of that system. It would be great if everyone in the US could unify and reform the government but there’s just not enough support for that yet.
Sorry, what pray tell was the sensible choice at the last election?
Whatever the answer is, if it’s not “vote blue” then your sensible choice is directly responsible for the current dumb fuckery.
Oil prices everywhere are going through the roof.
Inflation is bullshit.
Efforts to mitigate climate change have stalled.
Everyone, particularly Americans, need to do everything possible to evict Trump and have him charged for his many crimes.
After that you can make whatever sensible choice you wish.
The sensible choice wasn’t at a poll, it never has been.
Aside from the framing being incredibly out of touch, how is continuing the strategy that got us here going to get us out of this situation?
voting trump again got us here
we’re 40 years backwards in less than 1
And voting in Biden got us to the place where voters picked Trump the next time around. Just like Obama got us to the place where voters picked Trump the first time.
We’re more like 3 years backwards.
And? Does anyone believe Democrats don’t have the same imperialist foreign policies that destabilise the world?
Sure the Democrats are better for the rights of Americans, but I’m not concerned about that nearly as much as I am the victims of America.
Trump is America with the mask off, and it’s been the most effective thing to wake the world up and start curtailing US power. It would have been nice if Americans could have done that themselves but they’ve been insistent on the slow march to evil via conceding to the lesser evil every time and now they’re finding out.
So I don’t care if you vote Democrat because you think they’re better for you, I do care when you contatantly tell everyone to stop talking about how shit they all are because an election is coming up.
Its funny how no one has been talking about how shit the dems are for the last 18 months, but suddenly here you are.
Its funny how no one has been talking about how shit the dems are for the last 18 months
Just straight up lying, we’ve been here saying the same shit this whole time, and we’ll continue saying the same shit after this election, and then when the next election gets close you lot will start talking about how we “suddenly showed up.” Because you have no reservations about lying to advance your agenda.
just be thankful russia is losing internet services or it would be worse
we know it is largely russian meddling
I doubt “russian meddling” would actually be run out of russia.
nah the obvious time zone related waves have been a thing for years
russia has been lazy as shit because they’ve never needed not to be
When this post was made it was 12PM here in Australia, it would have apparently been 4AM in Russia. But “muh russian timezones, everyone who criticises America is actually a russian because america is the defender of the free world, #1 country ever”. Fuck off lib.
i’m a child of natives, i get it
my people got shit on as bad as anyone short of maybe palestine
if you think destabilizing america is good for you, for anyone…
America collapsing would be good for everyone except Americans. You’ve been holding the planet ransom for too long.
…wtf logic is this?
It seems pretty clear to me. They are upset that Libs come into Leftist spaces, and throw a hissy fit because we critique the kid bombing, or the ICE support, or the rapist support, or the torture support, etc. If you don’t want people upset about those things, then get your party to stop doing them.
for anyone to claim there isn’t a wide gulph in outcomes between voting republican vs dem is either arguing in bad faith or just really oblivious
Ooooorrrr, they think that when something is bad, it doesn’t matter if it’s a Democrat or a Republican who does it. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s the Blue Team that bombs kids, or the Red Team that bombs kids. The problem is the bombing-kids part.
forget 2016 even, how can you think what Trump is doing now compares to America under Biden?
Because I was paying attention. Do you rememeber when Biden was doing mass deprtations? Do you remember when Biden was shipping people to torture camps? Do you remember when Biden was supporting rapists, kidnappers, murderers and thieves? Do you remember when Biden was bombing kids? Do you remember when Biden backed a genocide?
Because I do. The only major difference is that Trump is doing out in the open, what Biden was barely pretending that he didn’t do.
If you don’t want people upset about those things, then get your party to stop doing them.
that is vastly different than saying what ammounts to both sides same, and i say that as a lefty not a lib
Ooooorrrr, they think that when something is bad, it doesn’t matter if it’s a Democrat or a Republican who does it. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s the Blue Team that bombs kids, or the Red Team that bombs kids. The problem is the bombing-kids part.
sure but again one is still objectively the lesser evil
Because I was paying attention. Do you rememeber when Biden was doing mass deprtations? Do you remember when Biden was shipping people to torture camps? Do you remember when Biden was supporting rapists, kidnappers, murderers and thieves? Do you remember when Biden was bombing kids? Do you remember when Biden backed a genocide?
yea and obama did even more
but there was at least legal process and a way to track actual actions, not that legal is good but maybe someday we can hold people accountable
there is so much evil shit going on right now we don’t even know the full extent because there are no records
and biden authorizing bombings from career generals while horrible is still better than ai autowarcom ran by fucking elon musk
the divide is miles wide, there is no bottom in this administration, when this ends we’llmbe reading about more nazi level shit i’m sure, the missing kids alone twice now
so i dont know what you’ve been paying attention to but claiming biden is just as bad as trump is lol
that is vastly different than saying what ammounts to both sides same, and i say that as a lefty not a lib
Can you point out where I said both sides were the same? Because I’m pretty confident that I never said that. You defend Libs, so that’s why I assumed you are one. If your a lefty, then why would you support a party that fights leftists more than they fight Republicans?
sure but again one is still objectively the lesser evil
And? Lesser evil is still evil. I still don’t understand why people don’t vote for the non-evil candidates, when it’s an option. And it was.
but there was at least legal process and a way to track actual actions, not that legal is good but maybe someday we can hold people accountable
Wut? No there wasn’t. It was pretty blatently illegal. And you think we’re going to hold people accountable? Just like Obama held Bush… oh, wait. Well, at least Biden held Trump and Bush… Oh, hmmm… Well, I’m sure some day, the Democrats will hold their friends accountable… 🙄
there is so much evil shit going on right now we don’t even know the full extent because there are no records
You mean like the same thing that happened under Obama and Biden?
and biden authorizing bombings from career generals while horrible is still better than ai autowarcom ran by fucking elon musk
I don’t see how it’s better that the kids were hand-selected to be bombed by Biden, than it being AI. The problem isn’t how they were chosen, it’s that they were bombed.
the divide is miles wide, there is no bottom in this administration, when this ends we’llmbe reading about more nazi level shit i’m sure, the missing kids alone twice now
No, the dividie is marginal. People like you only seem to care when it’s the the Republicans who do these things. But when the Blue Team does it, your all out to brunch.
so i dont know what you’ve been paying attention to but claiming biden is just as bad as trump is lol
Well, maybe if you were paying attention, you would have seen that I never claimed that.
Rape is objectively less bad than murder, would you willingly accept that outcome?
It doesn’t matter who orders the bombs, it matters that any child is under them.
OK that’s a strong statement, I’d love to see your objective verifiable evidence for that
Can’t wait til after the election when we’ll have maybe three months before the 2028 election season starts and they start talking about the “suspicious timing” again.
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