I like to think the “egg theory” is onto something and perhaps the suffering that comes with this experience is part of the process.

I doubt enlightenment exists or is a healthy goal.

I hope reincarnation isnt real especially after seeing the sheer magnitude and intensity of suffering and trauma humans and other creatures can endure here.

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    It’d be a pleasant surprise to me if there was more to existence and death than creating your own meaning before going back into non-existence, but that’s p much where I land, something like that fake mark twain quote

    “I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”

    like idk, that kinda sucks in its own way but at least beings dont suffer after they’re gone. still mind-blowing that there even is existence to begin with, and that consciousness can happen like dang. and its cool we got to exist at all (luv u comrades) shrug-outta-hecks

    in terms of spirituality in general I’m in a weird spot where I simultaneously indulge in it while knowing its fake? I want to believe, even though I don’t.

    (cw: pet death, grief)

    a few days back I saw a cat-sized rectangle of moonlight on the ground in my porch where my cat used to hang out before she passed last month. I sat down and pet a non-existent cat for a bit and said I love you and cried and smiled a bit. I know it wasn’t real in any sense, but wouldn’t it be nice if it was? and even though I had the strict materialist guy in the back of my head telling me it wasn’t real, it let me get a bit of my grief out and feel close to her again for a bit, and I think there’s something to that at least.

    at the very least, I do think there’s value in secular spirituality, like the kind of optimistic belief that humanity would come together and reach the stars you can see in those soviet time capsules from the sixties.

    or maybe that line of thinking and cultural zeitgeist engenders passivity and destroys the future it seeks to build, idk, im not john philosophy

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    Its worth learning about the real practices of buddhism instead of the orientalist version. Generally any religion or spirituality is worth learning about because they are also intertwined with culture. For example, learning that people’s tendency in america to not exist in material reality wrt evangelicalism is an important fact to know, as people in this culture are easy to manipulate and make them submit to fascistic authority.

    i am personally an animist, and i do ancestor work and other stuff.

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    It’s too vague to mean anything substantial. Things like enlightenment and reincarnation come directly from Buddhism and are often misunderstood.

    People trying to break free from Samsara are probably leading a pretty good life, but I’m more of a fan of solidarity first which does cause one to engage more in samsara than trying to break free from it.

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      This is pretty much the ethos of Engaged Buddhism, which is less a school or practice of its own and more a change in thought that has pushed many modern Buddhists toward explicitly political and social action. There are lots of examples of people doing that in the past also, but as someone else said, on a more individualistic basis.

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    I define spirituality as the practice of cultivating the human spirit. I haven’t seen any other definition that isn’t just some wishy-washy way of getting out of saying you’re religious.

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    Well recently while exploring ideas related to consciousness and how it works I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s likely there exists something beyond the immediately physical so I’m kinda becoming skeptical of materialism, at least the hardline “consciousness is merely just physical stuff interacting” version of it.

    Beyond that I’m in the dark, I’ve explored various strains of spirituality and while some of it makes sense the arguments in favor of it mostly boil down to some version of “it came to me in a dream”. Furthermore from a political standpoint these philosophies rarely have much to say and the usual tone is “suffering is the nature of things and you should tolerate it and not try to change your surroundings too much beyond your own personal choices” or some form of “the universe manifests what you really want so if you’re suffering it must be you’re not vibing hard enough” both of which rubs me the wrong way.

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      I am trying to reconcile all this as well, and I’m not sure yet (or maybe the point is you’re never ‘sure’. “all I know is that I do not know”, right?) but it seems the answer is some kind of paradox. It seems the best spiritual insights always end up being paradoxes. It’s like, yes, suffering comes from within, but also, in order to wake up and realize that, there has to be a certain material chain of cause and effect that sets things up for you to be safe and free enough to sit down and meditate and receive such insights.

      (this is why lots of spiritually developed people tend to be the privileged and wealthy, they can do it for hours and go on retreats and stuff)

      So it’s like, you wake up and realize “oh! it’s just this” and get the ‘cosmic joke’ but in order for that to even happen, it required your conditions to improve to a certain baseline in order for you to have the time to put the work in. Then, if you want other people to be able to achieve this, their conditions necessarily must improve. I actually feel that, after reading the book Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha by Daniel M Ingram, the principles of communism and the science of dialectical materialism absolutely fall under: Morality training + understanding causality to cultivate more compassion.

      This might be a little more ‘out there’, but many people have had spiritual experiences that seem to imply humanity being on an evolutionary path toward ‘more perfection’, whatever that could mean. Given that implication, it really feels to me that the immortal science is humanity’s latest best attempt at that evolution. I believe it is the next step. And becoming awakened could be a great way to help one’s comrades since it greatly reduces suffering, increases tolerance for just about anything, eliminates fear of death, and cultivates an everlasting love for all. Even if you don’t actually reach “it”, any kind of spiritual path that includes practices of concentration and insight will reduce suffering, which will also help with any goal you have in life.

      That book is great btw if you want a place to start! The guy really cuts through the fluffy BS, lays out a clear map, and acknowledges the hypocrisies and flaws of teachers. He even says that morality training is the absolute hardest part and the rest is easy in comparison lol. I think it’s because they have overlooked communism.

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    The only real spirit is the human spirit (to progress, to overcome, to grow, to care for one another).

    Spirituality is most often just a word for superstition without organized religion. That can be better than the alternative I suppose as religions are stuck in the decade, social mores, and thinking of their creation which is for the biggest of them thousands of years ago when women were property not equals and where ignorance of our reality reigned supreme (thus they reinforce unjust systems such as patriarchy and too often reject the material reality we need to address in favor of comforting lies that make our reality worse through inaction).

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    Way too broad word to be usable, not even in casual conversation, not to mention as definition. When elaborated it’s nearly always either just a religion or searching for some other superstition.

    I can accept that it’s part of the yearning for fulfilment, but it’s neither anything special nor anything greater than any other way that should be especially protected.

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    I don’t believe in a spirituality separate from material reality - but I do believe that human thought is complex and varied enough that we shouldn’t attack peoples personal sources of strength and healing.

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    I’m mostly mad the TESCREAL bundle looked at the ideas of building a machine god and ending death and transcending human frailty and exploring the cosmos, then took it and turned it into a grift for promoting productivity software and doing weird sex cult shit.

    Wanting a world where no one ever has to say goodbye ever again should be inspiring, not a theme for a Harry Potter fanfic.

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    I really hope death is the end but I also like to think there’s a certain energy to consciousness that we haven’t been able to fully observe or measure yet.

    I’d say I believe in higher dimensional beings before any “god” type beings (like a human-ant relationship or a human-bacteria relationship).

    Either way since I’m not an experimental physicist I don’t want those ideas/beliefs affecting my day-to-day in any way.

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    I have a biology degree and my mother is a biblical literalist, like literal young earth creationist. Straight up rejects evolution etc.

    My opinion on religion - which spirituality is generally a form of, although it is obviously not an organised religion - is not entirely fair.

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    I pray. For myself and for others. To Tiamat and Jesus.

    People can say God is dead all they want but Faith ? Faith is real