The definition of “Terrorism”, according to the American Heritage Dictionary:
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The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.
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The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation.
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The practise of coercing governments to accede to political demands by committing violence on civilian targets; any similar use of violence to achieve goals.
Merriam Webster has a more simple and direct definition:
- The systematic use of violence, especially as a means of coercion.
Wikipedia, for good measure:
“Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims. The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants.”
So, generally most definitions agree that terrorism is some or all of these things; must be violent, violence is used to convince a faction of something (terrify them), usually has a political goal, targets civilians/none-combatants, may be done both during peace or war.
So dropping two nuclear weapons on top of two cities, intentionally killing thousands of civilians, to force a country to surrender is terrorism.
Some dictionaries say that merely the threat of targeting civilians can be considered terrorism, so pointing nukes at each other and MAD is terrorism.
Bombing schools filled with 12 year old girls, hospitals, flattening whole neighbourhoods filled with civilians, is terrorism.
Killing an officer of an army you’re officially at war with is not terrorism.
And this BS is called terrorism, since it (actually nothing) was near a US babykiller base and aledgedly the target.
Hypocrites, OP is right.
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I’m not sure what international law says, but how is it different than the raid on Dresden, or the blitz on London?
If you attack me, I’m going to use whatever legal means I have available to stop you. If it’s not legal, I may not care too much.
The indiscriminate bombings of Dresden and London were also atrocities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse-Five#Dresden
If you attack me, I’m going to use whatever legal means I have available to stop you. If it’s not legal, I may not care too much.
Is Ukraine supposed to politely allow themselves to be slaughtered?
Funny how the west assumed eastern ukraine to do that when those azov fascists started ethnic cleansing them
Do you have a source for that?
Crucially, in late 2014, Azov was absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard, allowing greater state oversight, with considerable attention paid to cleansing the ranks of far-right elements, in what should be recognised as an example of successful deradicalisation.
https://lens.monash.edu/much-azov-about-nothing-how-the-ukrainian-neo-nazis-canard-fooled-the-world/
Do you have a source for that?
I will give them later today, (getting busy) even if there are abundant sources to prove that.
It has been going on for 8 years.Crucially, in late 2014, Azov was absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard, allowing greater state oversight, with considerable attention paid to cleansing the ranks of far-right elements, in what should be recognised as an example of successful deradicalisation.
yeah, nobody with a brain can swallow that BS.
Only this week they had the discovery of (one of many) torture prisons and news about them training Spanish extreme right Nucleus scum to prepare a coup.
There are plenty obvious cases of them doing the same as ever.
Changing their WW2 nazi emblem slightly for PR purposes doesn’t magically erase and cure their disgusting ideology.
If anything, as it turns out integrating them has helped spread it to all parts of their military.Only this week they had the discovery of (one of many) torture prisons
Ahem: “yeah, nobody with a brain can swallow that BS.” It was not a torture dungeon.
“Inside the building, Kyrylo Budanov also found a 14-year-old boy. The boy had entered the grounds by climbing a tree and crossing over the fence after the clashes had already begun. He was not being detained alongside the mobilized men”.
I said torture prison, not dungeon.
And what is that quote supposed to say?
I never claimed he had been a prisoner.
On the contrary, I have exactly explained in other comments the fact he was with the crowd protesting at that prison and did jump the wall, after which he was filmed being hit with a shovel and then detained, BEATEN NAKED and then forced to take pills. As he later told in another video.This is the BS cheap tricks these “factcheckers” (and you with this dungeon) use.
Using cherry picked false claims (usually coming from their own sources) that can easily be debunked and consequently do the whole thing off as a hoax.So you can fuck off with your defense of these nazi scum. You’re a POS nazi
That’s the expectation that’s been placed on most other groups deemed “terrorists”
Let’s get more specific.
Russia is the aggressor against Ukraine.
Israel is the aggressor against Palestine.
Do not confuse attacker with defender.
Which must be why Ukraine stands with Israel! And with salafi terrorists in Africa and West Asia.
What are you talking about? Ukraine recognizes the State of Palestine and voted against Israel"s occupation of it. Israel voted against affirming Ukraine’s territorial integrity.
Russia is the aggressor against Ukraine.
It’s certainly true that Russia invaded Ukraine, but this war started at least nine years before Feb. 2022, and it’s the proxy war that the US had wanted for a long time.
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
- https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/40th-periodic-report-human-rights-situation-ukraine-treatment-prisoners
- https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152743054/human-rights-watch-ukraine-landmines
- CNN coverage of Donbas in 2014 https://xcancel.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
- https://mronline.org/2023/07/30/russia-donbass-and-the-reality-of-the-conflict-in-ukraine/
- https://www.kanekoa.news/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-started
- HRW https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
- Donbas documentary 2016 https://youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
- Ukraine in Donbas https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/08/10/what-ive-seen-of-ukraines-war-crimes-against-civilians-in-the-donbass-over-the-years/
- Poroshenko saying the quiet part out loud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
I think you’ve been fooled.
The Right Sector’s website and social media pages feature pictures of heavily armed, masked men. Such images have provided the Russian media with fodder for newscasts about extremism in Ukraine.
During the Soviet era, the idea of Ukrainian national sovereignty was purposely joined to the ultra-nationalist movement led by the OUN and the UPA as a way to discredit the idea of an independent Ukrainian state.
At the peak of their activities, the UPA had 40,000 members. In comparison, there were about 5 million Ukrainians in the Soviet army.
As for ultra-nationalists like the Right Sector, they are likely to just disappear as a political group, said Shekhovtsov. “The Ukrainian people have no taste for political extremism.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2014/5/20/ukraines-far-right-popular-or-propaganda
Were the fifteen or so western media outlets I linked to above also fooled, before suddenly going silent in 2022?
Here are a few more:
- https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-celebrates-nazi-collaborator-bans-book-critical-of-pogroms-leader/
- https://eurasianet.org/ukraine-far-right-fighters-from-europe-fight-for-ukraine
- https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/ukraine-designates-national-holiday-for-nazi-collaborator/
- https://theweek.com/92041/britons-join-neo-nazi-militia-in-ukraine
- https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline/
- https://www.timesofisrael.com/nazi-symbols-salutes-on-display-at-ukrainian-nationalist-march/
- https://www.mintpressnews.com/fbi-neo-nazi-militia-trained-by-us-military-in-ukraine-now-training-us-white-supremacists/251687/
- https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
- https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-march-in-ukraine-in-annual-tribute-to-nazi-collaborator/
- https://www.bellingcat.com/news/europe/2019/08/09/yes-its-still-ok-to-call-ukraines-c14-neo-nazi/
- https://archive.khpg.org/en/1524441220
- https://www.channel4.com/news/svoboda-ministers-ukraine-new-government-far-right
- https://www.defenddemocracy.press/violent-anti-semitism-is-gripping-ukraine-and-the-government-is-standing-idly-by-2/
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329
- https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-report/2020/new-eurasian-far-right-rising
- https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-far-right-menace-radical-militants-ultranationalists/
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30134421
- https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/far-right-extremists-in-ukrainian-military-bragged-about-canadian-training-report-says/
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30414955
- https://archive.khpg.org/en/1528485728
- https://www.dw.com/en/new-glory-to-ukraine-army-chant-invokes-nationalist-past/a-45215538
- https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-shows-nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961
- https://www.illiberalism.org/far-right-group-made-its-home-in-ukraines-major-western-military-training-hub/
- https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/02/15/defend-the-white-race-american-extremists-being-co-opted-by-ukraines-far-right/
And Hamas and Hezbollah get labelled as terrorists while Israel does not. What exactly is your point?
Israel is commiting state terrorism and more people should call it what it is.
What is YOUR point? Therefore, Ukraine should be labeled a terrorist state for defending themselves?
You know, being deliberately obtuse and playing dumb isn’t as clever as Reddit debatelords seem to think
Why the fuck are you getting down voted for this? XD
What corner of Lemmy did I just step in?
They’re getting down voted because they aren’t actually engaging with anything they’re replying too
Projection. This was your reply to me:
You know, being deliberately obtuse and playing dumb isn’t as clever as Reddit debatelords seem to think
Instead of answering my question. You think that’s engaging in discussion?
Still waiting for evidence.
I don’t know. Are these the fabled Russian bots? Lol
No, but the west shoùld stop selectively decide who is a terrorist and who is not
The ones invading the others (Russia, Israel) are the aggressors. It’s not complicated.
The US is also an aggressor against Iran. These are all regrettable acts of needless violence that must be defended against.
The west never call israeli actions terrorism. If this actionwas made hamas , they would call it terrorism
I consider invasion and genocide terrorism, which Israel is actively committing against Palestine. But I guess I’m not “the west,” I just live here. We have many politicians actively condemning Israel’s actions. I agree we could use more, and more action to help those being attacked.
Because israel is not considered a sponsor of terrorism and it’s army is not considered doing terrorism, it is not illegal for individuals and companies to back the idf with money and many other actions. People can get in trouble even for only supporting hamas legitimate attack on military assets but supporting the idf and even the settler won’t get you in trouble but supporting palestine actions make you arrested. The weaponization and selective application is a serious issue
the us an isreal are the aggressor, not russia
The Soviet Union dissolved and Ukraine gained independence in 1991.
Russia occupied and annexed Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula in 2014.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022.
What am I missing? Russia is the aggressor.
russia chose to respond to the ukrainian gov’t trying to turn eastern ukraine into another gaza and nato encroachment – thatttt’s what you’re missing.
Russia invaded a country. They’re aggressors.
the ukrainian gov’t tried to create another gaza – the russians responded ethnic cleaning unlike us.
s/Ukraine/Afghanistan
Yes we’re talking about the media, not about international fairy tales.
