• funkydutch@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    21 hours ago

    Weren’t even some ideators of Israel against it because it would be more sensible (and powerful) to have the Jewish as groups in different nationalities around that area and have power as people instead of as a State that would cause the conflicts that it does and need help for protection as it does? Commenting on the pink part, which seems half reasonable.

    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPM
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      21 hours ago

      There’s also Christians that opposed it. In fact Christians including Christian most of which from Palestine and Lebanon are actively engaging in armed resistance against Zionism right now.

      There’s thousands of Christians who have engaged in armed struggle against Zionism. Guess how many Jews have

  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPM
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    24 hours ago

    For those who refuse to get it, just read the text in the screenshot and reverse Christianity and Judaism. Then see how it reads.

    • freagle@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      23 hours ago

      Help me understand the history here. Is Zionism not Christian eschatology? Or is it?

      • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPM
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        23 hours ago

        It’s both Jewish and Christian and you can find examples for it through much of history for both. The weird thing is blaming it all on Christianity to absolve Judaism from Zionism.

        This would be like blaming Nazism on Italy or something.

        Organizations like the Haganah and the Lehi which expelled Palestinians from their land in name of their religion certainly weren’t Christian.

      • SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        23 hours ago

        The old testament (the Jewish bible) introduces the concept of a chosen people being promised certain land (the holy land, israel, zion) by god. Over time, that land becomes occupied by other people, so god says he will help his chosen people drive them out.

        I will give into your hands the people who live in the land, and you will drive them out before you.

        Not all Jewish people take this literally, but it is the basis of Zionism.

        The new testament (christianity) expanded the chosen people from exclusively Jewish people to any person who accepted Jesus christ.

        There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

        In the 1800s and 1900s, rabbis and others began “settling” in Palestine with the goal of making it a Jewish state, kicking off the Israeli-Palestine conflict.

        Like Jewish people, some christians support Zionism, some don’t. It has biblical basis, but no basis in observable reality. There is no verifiable correct interpretation of the bible, which is a vague and contradictory text all the way through.