And no, I’m not saying don’t vote; I’m saying that there comes a point when voting isn’t going to solve the problem

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    What I was saying is that fascism is its own kind of ideology, and although yes it’s been pretty fluid over the years, the hallmarks are authoritarian capitalism, emphasis on private enterprise, social Darwinism (supporting “the strong” and loathing “the weak”), misogyny, and the hatred and outright murder of the Other (jews, foreigners, people with the wrong religion, people with no religion, whoever).

    Well, if you lump misogyny in with other bigotry like it should be…

    That’s a pretty good description of “moderate Dems” and Joe Biden’s entire 2024 campaign specifically.

    My point is, breaking it all up into every slice getting it’s own special name is ridiculous and just confuses people.

    But I don’t think you’re going to magically start understanding any of this if I keep replying.

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      My point is, breaking it all up into every slice getting it’s own special name is ridiculous and just confuses people.

      You seriously think it’s less confusing to use a well-established political term incorrectly for everything that’s even a little bit authoritarian, and that calling different systems by their own and well-established terms is confusing? This is just your version of reich-wingers calling everyone to the left of Goebbels a “socialist” because they can’t be bothered to learn about politics.

      And I’m supposedly the dim one here?

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        This is just your version of reich-wingers calling everyone to the left of Goebbels a “socialist” because they can’t be bothered to learn about politics.

        That’s exactly what it is. And if they weren’t so obviously a troll, they could have actually made an interesting point.

        The difference is that the meaning of words actually matters to people on the left. While, yes, the right does benefit from easier organization because they can all just yell the same thing, the reason is because they all know that the real point in bigotry and cruelty. The specifics don’t matter as long as the Party wins, and the Other suffers

        This is why you see so many “people” making both sides arguments. You can convince people on the left of things, because we care about words, so these arguments only harm our candidates, even if, on the surface, they seem balanced

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          And if they weren’t so obviously a troll

          Is it obvious? Honest question, I can’t tell. I assumed they’re just a regular person with very stupid opinions

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            They’re a well known troll. Yes. They constantly misinterpret your point purposefully so they can win the argument. It’s like building straw men out of the words of others.

            Most of them do this.

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            I mean, they’re literally trying to dilute the meaning fascism, which is sure to only benefit fascists. And they’re basically doing the both sides thing as well. The goal seems to be to convince us that Biden is just as bad as Trump, which is not even close to the truth, and, as I said, only hurts the left, because it convinced people not to vote. If they’re not a troll, they’re a sucker regurgitating rightwing cons

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              I mean, they’re literally trying to dilute the meaning fascism, which is sure to only benefit fascists.

              Oh yeah they definitely are, I just didn’t take it as trolling, but as a stupid person having stupid opinions and saying stupid things. Not that it makes a difference in the end, an idjit is an idjit