Thats literally not true. It provides multiple non-christian historians (Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus). Theres all kinds of charismatic leaders today that people ascribe religious meaning to, I’m not sure why some people have a hard time believing a charismatic dude had followers who believed he was god.
Is the implication here that a bunch of Jewish people started pretending there was a guy named Jesus and that he was the messiah, and pretending that he lived a few decades back, and that multiple different sources very quickly picked up the same general story of this pretend man’s life, and that’s more plausible than people following a charismatic leader and deifying him after he died?
The written record we have only mentions two eyewitnesses by name. Both of which were saying this guy died. You don’t need a cast conspiracy, only two people to keep a secret. The written record was authored by a person who was there when things were happening but saw nothing and heard nothing until years later.
What is more likely a charismatic leader vanishes from the entire historical record, the one person who writes the events down doesn’t seem to know anything about what happened, and then silence for over 50 years? And when the records do start they just happen to be pulled from other popular myths of the time and place?
Ffs if they had copyright law back in the day the authors of the Gospels would have been sued for violating it.
Thats literally not true. It provides multiple non-christian historians (Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus). Theres all kinds of charismatic leaders today that people ascribe religious meaning to, I’m not sure why some people have a hard time believing a charismatic dude had followers who believed he was god.
All of three of those men were born decades after the events.
Is the implication here that a bunch of Jewish people started pretending there was a guy named Jesus and that he was the messiah, and pretending that he lived a few decades back, and that multiple different sources very quickly picked up the same general story of this pretend man’s life, and that’s more plausible than people following a charismatic leader and deifying him after he died?
The written record we have only mentions two eyewitnesses by name. Both of which were saying this guy died. You don’t need a cast conspiracy, only two people to keep a secret. The written record was authored by a person who was there when things were happening but saw nothing and heard nothing until years later.
What is more likely a charismatic leader vanishes from the entire historical record, the one person who writes the events down doesn’t seem to know anything about what happened, and then silence for over 50 years? And when the records do start they just happen to be pulled from other popular myths of the time and place?
Ffs if they had copyright law back in the day the authors of the Gospels would have been sued for violating it.