• Izzy@lemmy.world
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    I’ve been seeing this a lot lately. Lots of bandwagoning going on. It is what it is though. People are fallible and often just follow the herd instead of thinking.

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    I can only imagine they meant 60% of the front view of the house. Otherwise that just seems insane.

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      But the problem is, words mean things. A lot of people unfortunately, put the wrong words down - and they think internally that it makes sense, but there is context missing in the words they put down. I’ve had entire conversations that went on for days, only for me to be 20 threads deep, and the person say “I mentioned that!!”, and I ask for them to show me where…only for them to realize they’ve been angry this whole time over something they assumed I was ignoring or misrepresenting. Turns out, they just simply internalized whatever it was, and didn’t write it.

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      I don’t know if I’m supposed to upvote you because I like your comment or downvote you for being right.

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      Excellent point. The initial intent of my squabble wasn’t trying to deny that counter-examples exist, just that when comparing 100 houses to 100 apartments, that there seemed to be losses in living space for the apartment (law of averages and whatnot).

      I had made another comment on that /c/FuckCars thread that calculated that if all of the homes had 1-car garages (which is not uncommon for a lot of dense low-density suburbs), then the homes would be 1740 SqFt with the garage / 1500 SqFt Livable, and the apartments would be 1009 SqFt livable. So a 33% loss of livable space in the image with what I would consider a reasonable assumption.

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      unless you don’t consider steel frame buildings and pole sheds, but why wouldn’t you?

      You do not, in fact, count those buildings towards your houses square footage. Doing so would open yourself up to all sorts of liability.

      Covered, enclosed porches can only be included if heated and using the same system as the rest of the house. Garages, pool houses, guest houses, or any rooms that require you to leave the finished area of the main house to gain access are not counted in the square footage of a house. source

      The only common situations in which the exact size of a home may be legally important would be:

      1. For tax appraisal purposes
      2. For qualifying for a certain mortgage or home equity loan
      3. If a buyer has already bought, or at least has signed a contract on a home, and now claims that fraud was committed because the home is not as large as advertised. source

      For further considerations of those that are interested (ANSI Draft, figure 1, page 6, outside source as the real ansi website is just atrocious to navigate and I’m not gonna dox myself by loading up local code.)

      As shown, the upper-level plan has an open foyer and a protruding window that does not extend to the floor; neither area contributes to the square footage of the upper level. The calculated finished square footage of the entry level does not include the protruding fireplace, covered patio, garage, or unfinished laundry. The finished area of the basement is counted toward the below- grade finished square footage in its entirety, including the area under the stairs that descend from the entry level. The area of the unfinished utility room is calculated by using the method prescribed in the standard but is not included in the below-grade finished square footage.

      All that aside, you’re slapping a 25’x52’ shed onto your 1/4 acre property? That’s almost 20% of your land use not including lot encroachment setback, drainage, and basic driveway/building infrastructure. It’s your property so definitely do as you wish, but to think this is a common practice or a desirable thing outside of niche hobbyists or being used for work related activities/storage is nonsense. Neighborhood flooding, no natural green spaces for habitats, it all sounds like a horrible dystopia on your mini-compound.

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          Nice to see you showing your ass on a pedantic post like this.

          outside of niche hobbyists or being used for work related activities/storage is nonsense

          oh look, you fit the exact description I referred to! The context of this conversation is about a mass land development, try to fucking think about it.

          No, not adding a shed, extending my garage/shop… perfect concrete with a drain.

          perfect concrete?.. you do know a drain has to lead somewhere right? Into the surrounding area which if it was all developed like you’ve done would cause problems. “Slapping” refers to adding on or new but I see I hit a nerve talking about your “bestest shed”. Would be interesting to see the videos but I try not to support creators who are assholes and your descriptive reply does nothing for the conversation. Again, you’re helping prove the point that a few anecdotal observations isn’t the norm or recommended but seems to get upvotes. Continue arguing on though, love to see the hot gas pouring out of more than a hawt dog furnace.

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              You’re really latching onto that sometimes bit hard aren’t you?

              the context of this post is about upvoting incorrect information, and downvoting correct information.

              …information about… come on… you almost got it. I’m glad you learned about catch basins, unfortunate that you believe it negates any water run-off. You do have an outlet from the basin right? Is this a magical abyss of a basin that catches all the run off from your 3k sq ft structures and you think it’ll never fill up?

              I see you’re already engaging with the OP and admitted to having horrible reading comprehension since you couldn’t discern the original intent of the post. But then you continue on with the SoMEtIMEs!! rhetoric. As you’ve stated, you’re a niche land owner who is ACTIVELY adding on to an already oversized shed, your land wasn’t originally developed that way nor is that a practice that’s done without an active home owner who has stated those needs to the builders. No one is going around developing 60%, sOmETiMeS! people add on as is their right after purchasing. Love your use of picking and choosing through the argument, truly impressive.

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                  Be still my heart, apparently it matters because you’ve lost all words and have gone the typical route of insults. I hope that’s how you learn and are happy, to think you actually had any factual knowledge to have a conversation with is my fault. This replies screams of something you’re dying to tell yourself in a mirror, you’re not even pointing out what I need to admit to so I’m assuming it’s a message to yourself. Have fun crying in your shed and make sure to clean your basin often, you can think of me next time you’re out there.

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      Am I not supposed to like that? Cause I really like that house design. Garage for days.

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        That looks amazing. I’d actually have space to work on a project car, plus store my daily, as well as extra storage, probably a server rack and a whole bunch of other stuff. One of the things I notice most about living in an apartment vs my childhood home is how much storage space we had in our garage.

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          Tbf I once looked seriously at a house with a giant garage because I wanted to turn it into a huge hobby and rpg space.

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    If they add in the driveway the area would probably be about the same as the house.

    If we also add in the necessary roads and parking lots,it is pretty obvious that cars are creating a self-induced demand.

    We need to have cars because we need to drive around space for cars.

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    Larger garages are more environmentally friendly. My garage is huge compared to my house. It has 2 cars, a laundry, and all of the stuff I don’t use every day.

    This is an area that is not heated or cooled. By having all the storage in the garage, I can get by with less living space.

    Garages are cheaper per square metre than rooms, so you save money there too.

    You get all the stuff into the same size house, but with less building materials, less heating and cooling costs, and less clutter in your house.

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      Wouldn’t it be more environmentally friendly to store your cars outside and not have a garage?

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        My car is 20 years old and has zero rust. The environmental footprint of manufacturing a car is huge. They last much longer in a garage. It also doesn’t need to get washed as often. Washing has an environmental overhead too.

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        No, because it gets dirty and damaged more often meaning you need to clean and repair it more often.

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          My car lives outside and I literally don’t do anything to it besides oil changes and occasional tire replacements. If all you have is a daily driver you really don’t need a garage.

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      My garage is huge compared to my house. It has 2 cars, a laundry, and all of the stuff I don’t use every day.

      You get all the stuff into the same size house

      Sounds like the problem is all the stuff.

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    This just gets worse when you use what developers call a two car garage now. 24x24 would be awesome, it’s more like 18x20 now despite bigger cars.

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      We are in that bucket and in this stupid country there aren’t many smaller cars anymore. We’re looking for a decent EV that is small and would fit in our garage. I think we have like, 2 options. Everything out there is some crossover SUV bullshit. I don’t want a giant car, I just want something smaller and comfortable for 2 people.

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    This sort of thing has always happened.

    I do find it particularly infuriating when it’s a topic I’m knowledgeable in/involves my profession. But then I remember most people are stupid and it doesn’t bother me too much.

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      I’ve had the “You don’t work in X do you?” or the “tell me you don’t know about X without telling me you don’t work in X”. Oh boy my fucking bachelors and masters and years of experience in the field say otherwise FFS!

      But then I remember most people are stupid and it doesn’t both me too much.

      Great mantra to live by.

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    Many users vote based on emotions here. I often see well written comments with the sources linked and everything, being downvoted, and some low effort reply with an opinion is upvoted, though factually incorrect.

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      I see that a lot too. This is the art of rhetoric, politics. Not facts. Voting is a human thing. You have to appeal to the human.

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    Blame the system. Rating system was a good idea to encourage community self-moderation. But,most people treat upvotes/downvotes as likes/dislikes, even when specifically asked to use them differently. And, because of that, places with rating systems inevitably boil down to circlejerking, infobubbles, and tribalism. Too bad the only alternatives are spamholes, chaotic messes with power-tripping moderators, and AI blackboxes designed to control your mind.

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      AI blackboxes designed to control your mind.

      They aren’t designed to control your mind but to make money. The mind thing is a side effect.

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      Exactly, who cares about the arrows. Sometimes I vote, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes my finger slips and I hit the wrong arrow anyway. I don’t bother to change it so I take my place as an arbiter of chaos.