I think things would be markedly better with eating only fish and eggs, although I think the fishing is out of hand already, and egg chickens can be kept in just as horrible of conditions as meat chickens.
that’s conflating ideas though… climate change may very well be an extinction level event… animal cruelty is upsetting, but by far the lesser of 2 issues here
hand in hand implies intrinsically linked - if we could solve the climate crisis tomorrow by stopping the consumption of beef and lamb, and switching to poultry which is treated much worse, then that’s good for one and bad for the other
Well switching from meat to meat obviously will do nothing. In fact smaller animals like birds means more death per person. But that aside, I was talking about rating meat vs not. And when I mentioned most would at least be happy with no commercial farming that meant for all animals.
Its a much different conversation when someone is hunting for their family vs whatever you want to call this meat-is-candy world we live in now. Meat should be considered a delicacy, and rarely eaten, and it should be priced appropriately for what it is. Meat and dairy wouldnt be profitable without subsidies in the first place, which is another way of saying failed business.
I like how poultry-inclusive diets get us 95% of the way there.
I think things would be markedly better with eating only fish and eggs, although I think the fishing is out of hand already, and egg chickens can be kept in just as horrible of conditions as meat chickens.
that’s conflating ideas though… climate change may very well be an extinction level event… animal cruelty is upsetting, but by far the lesser of 2 issues here
They go hand in hand, the meat industry is so polluting because of the commercial scale which is also why its so inhumane.
I think many would settle for just a much smaller meat industry. Maybe a more careful one.
hand in hand implies intrinsically linked - if we could solve the climate crisis tomorrow by stopping the consumption of beef and lamb, and switching to poultry which is treated much worse, then that’s good for one and bad for the other
Well switching from meat to meat obviously will do nothing. In fact smaller animals like birds means more death per person. But that aside, I was talking about rating meat vs not. And when I mentioned most would at least be happy with no commercial farming that meant for all animals.
Its a much different conversation when someone is hunting for their family vs whatever you want to call this meat-is-candy world we live in now. Meat should be considered a delicacy, and rarely eaten, and it should be priced appropriately for what it is. Meat and dairy wouldnt be profitable without subsidies in the first place, which is another way of saying failed business.