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200fifty@awful.systemsto
TechTakes@awful.systems•Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 18 August 2024English
0·2 years agoCan AI companies legally ingest copyrighted materials found on the internet to train their models, and use them to pump out commercial products that they then profit from? Or, as the tech companies claim, does generative AI output constitute fair use?
This is kind of the central issue to me honestly. I’m not a lawyer, just a (non-professional) artist, but it seems to me like “using artistic works without permission of the original creators in order to create commercial content that directly competes with and destroys the market for the original work” is extremely not fair use. In fact it’s kind of a prototypically unfair use.
Meanwhile Midjourney and OpenAI are over here like “uhh, no copyright infringement intended!!!” as though “fair use” is a magic word you say that makes the thing you’re doing suddenly okay. They don’t seem to have very solid arguments justifying them other than “AI learns like a person!” (false) and “well google books did something that’s not really the same at all that one time”.
I dunno, I know that legally we don’t know which way this is going to go, because the ai people presumably have very good lawyers, but something about the way everyone seems to frame this as “oh, both sides have good points! who will turn out to be right in the end!” really bugs me for some reason. Like, it seems to me that there’s a notable asymmetry here!
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•That tracing woodgrains peice on David Gerard is outEnglish
10·2 years agoNot even – it’s a simplified Civilization clone for mobile. (It actually sounds like a pretty neat little game, but, uh, chess it is not!)
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•That tracing woodgrains peice on David Gerard is outEnglish
20·2 years agoMy main thought reading through this whole thing was like, “okay, in a world where the rationalists weren’t closely tied to the neoreactionaries, and the effective altruists weren’t known by the public mostly for whitewashing the image of a guy who stole a bunch of people’s money, and libertarians and right-wingers were supported by the mainstream consensus, I guess David Gerard would be pretty bad for saying those things about them. Buuuut…”
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•rationalists discuss: does testosterone make you stupid?English
9·2 years agoOh my god, I can’t stop laughing out loud at “women evolved small heads because they kept falling over and hitting their big heads on rocks,” based on the fact that his sister hit her head when she was younger. What’s his explanation for why men didn’t do this then?? Absolutely next-level moon logic I love it so much
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•Real people's real problems? Nah, it's AI Welfare Debate Week here at the EA ForumsEnglish
7·2 years agoposts you can hear
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•OAI employees channel the spirit of Marvin MinskyEnglish
15·2 years agoWell, if this guy’s quite confident, then I’m sure it’ll all pan out in the end. How hard could symbolic reasoning be, really? Incidentally, I’ve been in a coma since 1970
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•TracingWoodgrains launches a defense of Manifest's controversial reputation, all without betraying a basic understanding of what the word "controversial" means.English
14·2 years agoText in AI-generated images will never not be funny to me. N the most n’tural hnertis indeed.
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•Effective Altruists: look, we *tried* to invite nice people as well as the huge racists we knew were huge racists when we invited them. What? Exclude the racists? But they're so *interesting!*English
65·2 years agoFirst: our sessions and guests were mostly not controversial — despite what you may have heard
Man, you invite one Nazi to speak at your conference and suddenly you’re “the guys who invited a Nazi to speak at their conference.” How is that fair? :-(
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•Sam Bankman-Fried funded a group with racist tiesEnglish
11·2 years agoIt is always kind of bewildering to me though. Like, has no one ever explained to these people the health problems that highly-bred dogs tend to have? Have they never heard of ‘hybrid vigor’ or issues with smaller gene pools making populations more susceptible to disease? Were they just asleep during biology 101? I don’t get how people who think they’re so smart can have failed to consider even the most basic issues with planning to turn humanity into Gros Michel bananas.
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•ChatGPT is bullshit - Ethics and Information TechnologyEnglish
26·2 years agoExcept it’s not really being automated out of our lives, is it? I find it hard to imagine how increasing the rate at which bullshit can be produced leads to a world with less bullshit in it.
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•another banger from Roko, definitely a thinker of a time. I would first guess that this time it was a trans woman he came onto and she kicked him in the nutsEnglish
34·2 years agoNot gonna lie, the world would probably be better off if guys like Roko just started having sex with sexbots instead of real women
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•here's a great and useful rundown of Scott Alexander Siskind's actual awful beliefs, from a centrist who found it difficult to accept until that email leakedEnglish
19·2 years agoRationalWiki is an index maintained by the Rationalist community
Lies and slander! I get why he’d assume this based on the name, but it would be pretty funny if the rationalists were responsible for the rational wiki articles on Yudkowsky et al, since iirc they’re pretty scathing
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•Honor Levy is the latest from Dimes Square. Truly breathtaking text production.English
13·2 years agothis reads like someone googled a list of gen z slang and then threw it in a blender with a bunch of weird race-science memes. who is this for
I think the only acceptable response to whoever is responsible for it is a highly aggressive “touch grass”
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•Why are our enemies so pathetic and stupid when we're so handsome and smart?English
1·2 years agodeleted by creator
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•testosterone and IQ: from the LessWrong School of Taking 4chan Memes and Just Running With ThemEnglish
23·2 years agoLook, you gotta forgive this guy for coming up with an insane theory that doesn’t make sense. After all, his brain was poisoned by testosterone, so his thinking skills have atrophied. An XXL hat size can only do so much, you know.
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•I can only say: spot on, but not at all in the way you were thinkingEnglish
17·2 years agoThey need the rationalist musical cannons for the upcoming performance of the Rationalist 1812 Overture
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•Will MacAskill wanted to go on podcasts and *explain* after FTX, but his laywers suggested he perhaps not send himself to jailEnglish
16·2 years agoIf twitter did get put on the blockchain after Elon bought it, it really would be “X on blockchain”… ba dum tshh
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•Chris Langan and the "Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe"? Oh boy!English
14·2 years ago[Time Cube] has a high-IQ mystique about it: if you don’t get it, maybe it’s because your IQ is too low. The [website] itself is dense with insights, especially the first part. It uses quite a lot of nonstandard terminology (partially because the author is outside the normal academic system), having few citations relative to most academic works. The work is incredibly ambitious, attempting to rebase philosophical metaphysics on a new unified foundation. As a short work, it can’t fully deliver on this ambition; it can provide a “seed” of a philosophical research program aimed at understanding the world, but few implications are drawn out.
200fifty@awful.systemsto
SneerClub@awful.systems•"Why I'm no longer a White Nationalist." Neoreactionary blogger goes to live in Red America just like he always dreamed. What followed will shock you!English
16·2 years agoHe should’ve stuck with it


side note, but I freaking love Machine of Death. what a cool book that came into existence in such a weird way