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  • How exactly is poultry a grey area? Have you met birds before?

    I have, they are capable of feeling pain and possess reasonable intelligence. I just don’t consider them sapient in a way that matters. If you cut off a chicken’s head, it will still act like a chicken. This implies that most of what a chicken feels mentally is instinctual. If you cut off my head and I came into work the next day acting normal, it would raise serious questions about the nature of human consciousness. Poultry shouldn’t suffer unnecessarily, but I doubt it has much sapience. Thus a gray area depending on how you judge their intelligence and your own morals.

    I hear what you’re saying about oysters (even though I disagree)

    Vegans always say that but not a single person has ever responded to that point in my 6 years of making it. If you disagree, do what the vegans I’ve talked with failed to do and address it please.

    making the same case for fish/octopus

    You shouldn’t eat octopus. Everything I said about poultry applies 3 fold to fish. Less capacity to feel pain and less sapience. I don’t consider a creature that acts entirely on instinct to have any right to life.


  • None of the things you listed are inconsistencies. “Dont eat animals, don’t support the harm of animals.”

    Yes it is, why is your line animals? Why are oysters so obviously worthy of life but not complex plants and fungus? Vegans claim that just because an creatures nervous system is arranged different, it doesn’t mean that it’s not worthy of life. Why does this not extend to complex plants and fungi?



  • I agree with vegans on 90% of things but the vegan position is ultimately arbitrary on what’s allowed and disallowed.

    Vegans, generally speaking, do not eat any animals. Oysters are not vegan despite the fact that they do not have a brain and their nervous system is extremely simple, they are more or less meat plants. They do not suffer nor have anything in which suffering could be inflicted. If such a simple creature is worthy of life, then most plants we eat are also worthy of life. If not, then veganism is not a moral imperative.

    As demonstrated, the line that vegans draw around the animal kingdom is mostly arbitrary. Eating cows and other mammals is absolutely a bad thing. Poultry is a gray area. Most seafood is probably safe to eat. The fact that I’m called a blood-mouth for eating oysters makes me skeptical of whether some vegans are arguing in good faith. If someone’s righteous indignation on what shouldn’t be eaten ends at animals arbitrarily, then I think their views are based more on a social clique than science.

    I do think they are better than the average person though even if their views are inconsistent.







  • I’m early Gen Z and the thing I kinda dislike is how shameless this generation is.

    Anime is a good example. It used to be a niche thing for nerds that you were kinda ashamed of outside of Studio Ghibli, but now it’s really mainstream. That’s all well and good but then you have some people with hentai stickers on their school laptop. Instead of adopting anime as a medium, we adopted the worst forms of otakuism. Instead of mass adoption tempering the worst aspects, it appears to have emboldened them instead.

    I also know some people who go around sfw anime cons and pay women to step on them in public. When I said this was kinda weird, I was the one in the friend group that got flack. Gen Z is more willing to embrace their weird habits but some stuff should be done at home or with private groups.








  • Yeah, but the humans and other races they seek to integrate into their society aren’t. They’d either have to do some necron-tier shit and destroy the souls of their citizens or they’d be at risk of humans creating a new chaos god.

    Another option is they may decide that warp-sensitive races are too much of a risk to the galaxy and adopt a genocidal attitude for the greater good. That would be thematically appropriate for Warhammer 40k. A bad encounter with the effects of the warp leading to them abandoning their previous principles. Kinda like how the Horus Heresy affected the Imperium of Man.


  • I wouldn’t be terribly opposed to a lord of altruism or comradery,

    You fundamentally misunderstand the Tau. They’re not altruistic, they’re just the least-worst civilization. They’re closer to a space Roman Empire than they are to communism. They’ll conquer you, put you in a pseudo-slave caste, and collect taxes. They can only claim to be a lesser evil because every other civilization’s default response is genocide.

    What kind of chaos god would they make?

    Probably something to do with absolute control. The Greater Good is an authoritarian philosophy in which individual citizens don’t really have any rights. They have certain cultural freedoms of course, but no right to self-determination. For warp-sensitive races that believe in this philosophy, it would show up as a desire to dissolve the ego into the whole. This could create a god which seeks to create a galaxy wide hive-mind of sorts. A sort of warp based Tyranid empire composed of multiple races which would subject entire planets to experimentation for the greater good.


  • The grimdark part of the Tau empire is that despite being very morally good, they’d still be completely wiped out if any of the other factions considered them a threat.

    Also, while this is less confirmed, it’s also implied that the Tau’s belief in The Greater Good could eventually wind up creating a new warp god leading to the destruction of their civilization. The tau are the equivalent of a squadron of fresh recruits surrounded by entire armies of people who hate them. That’s why they still fit in the grimdark universe. They’re the plucky, good civilization with no real shot of surviving.