Do you plan to run a train through every grocery store, stop to unload at each stop, and still expect to get everything there at the same time?

We don’t live in a wildwest train town. Our cities are not built around trains and unless you plan to literally tear down the entirety of New York it will not work.

Even most delivery vehicles should be replaced by either cargo bikes or by spur lines off the railroad.

I just don’t think it’d be practical to fill entire grocery stores worth of stuff on bikes. You’re not dealing with a few packages of office supplies. You’re dealing with entire warehouse districts worth of stuff having to move across cities. Even with reduced consumption, the amount of people needed to transport that on bikes would probably be more than the local population.

Yep, and that’s why most people should ride bikes and then use public infrastructure as needed. But automobiles are still necessary, unless you mean to bike in all the equipment you’d find in an ambulance.

so a post-personal-car future is still viable

It takes 160,000 bicycles to incur the road maintenance cost of a single personal car.

Are we disagreeing here or are you just mentioning a statistic?

I think libs are under the (false) impression that roads are both completely mandatory in society

They kinda are in local transport to be fair. You can’t transport truck loads of stuff by bike to grocery stores. This necessitates some level of automobile road to get there. What’s unnecessary is regional/national roads for commerce. Most cities would still require road maintenance just for EMS and local commerce even if they had a robust public infrastructure. The good news is that buses can use these roads as well so a post-personal-car future is still viable. Roadless cities are not.

Works on my computer.

Running in the heat doesn’t make you a god-tier athlete. That’s what humans are literally built for dickhead.

I’ve started running less than a month ago and I can still do a 5k in 100+ degree heat.

Also, this is the start week of college for most people which is probably a large portion of their userbase.

Do the style coin toss.

Don’t think about 9/11 24/7.

Walter, I fucked bread.

No, I’m literally unironically soyfacing at the rotato. It’s hands down the best emoji I’ve seen.

I was born with tenitus because I had shit tons of ear infections as a child. It kinda bothered me when I turned 18 and realized that it wasn’t the sound of silence.

Deaths from fucking car accidents which happen waaaaaaay more often in suburban and rural areas.

Only on a technicality. You’re never more than 5 minutes away from an ER in the city so of course you have a better chance to survive. Most small towns are 30 minutes away from an ER, if that. Unless you believe rural people are genetically pre-disposed to car accidents then the problem is lack of public infrastructure.

This has the same understanding as quoting FBI crime by race statistics without the overall societal context.

but that you’ve done the conservative thing where you take something how it is currently and decide that that’s how it is for all time. “Surrounded by cars, smog and noise” this is not an essential characteristic of cities.

“Man I hate my farming job because of shitty pay and long hours.”

“Uh actually, the shitty pay and long hours is not an essential characteristic of farming so you’re being a conservative.”

The possibility of things getting better does not make living in the city now any more pleasant.

The other issue is that your rhetoric plays into the conservative dichotomy of the cities as dirty and savage

Your pro-city rhetoric plays into the neoliberal dichotomy of cities being civilized places and rural areas being filled with country bumpkins. I don’t think you’re a neoliberal though because I can understand how sharing one view doesn’t mean you believe the same thing.

And third, this “cities suck I prefer the trees and nature” rhetoric always leads one place, and that’s to individualist, private landownership,

No it doesn’t. It literally does not mean this in any meaningful way. I specifically prefer the rural areas because I have better access to local community and state parks. My love for nature is just about the most collective it can be. I can’t believe people on hexbear are unironically stating it is individualist and supportive of landownership to enjoy nature.

Elitist? Brother you literally started the thread saying cities suck dick

They do, I’m not saying rural life is objectively better though. It’s all trade offs, I prefer the rural areas. Why do you cringe at the idea that someone would prefer to live in the rural areas. I can understand why you’d live in the city. I just won’t accept when shitheads looks down on me for my preferences.

Actually Played a Game of 40k

Just massive amounts of fake news coming from Lemmygrad. No one ever plays DnD or 40k, it just doesn’t happen. This is unabashed propaganda and reason for defederation.

This is why I hate the city. The mere mention of preferring not to be surrounded by cars, smog, and noise is met with sneers by elitist dickheads.

You’re not hot shit because you live in a city pal.

No thanks, I wouldn’t be caught straight on ANY lemmy fork.