I hope we get there regardless of the path. 🫂🤝

Good luck and I wish you well

See I don’t think of this as “purity testing” because it’s genocide… You know? Like is there anything worse? Is there a worse thing that Biden could be supporting?

When I think of purity testing , I think more of a situation like we’re finally going to pass socialized healthcare, but dental’s not included so let’s just hold up the whole thing. That feels like a purity test cuz it’s splitting hairs even if it’s in a very important hair. When it’s enabling genocide or not, there’s no hair to be split there. It’s just the worst thing you could do.

The Dems not being able to not enable genocide or even really call it out is majorly hurting what their voter outcome is going to be. Regardless of anything I say or do that is just the case.

I’m not going to blame the voters for that. But as we know, most people didn’t want to vote for Biden in the first place anyway. They were really voting against Trump so hopefully they’ll do it again this November. But the more I see Dems talk about how we just have to suck it up and vote for Joe. Anyway. The more I think that turns voters off.

Which is where I think our ultimate disagreement lies. I believe that defending Joe and telling people they have to vote for him anyway, in the face of the said genocide Will lead to lower voter turnout and possibly hopefully not but maybe a republican win.

I think a bigger strategy that gives people hope even if it’s in the long-term will encourage voter turnout and higher voter turnout is better for Democrats.

Regardless, thank you for talking to me like a person and being cool. 🙂

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Going to go back to voice to text and cursing like a sailor cuz that’s what I’m used to. But I appreciate the sentiment and the agreeable conversation. 🤝

To be clear. I’ve never said not voting is a good choice. I never want to hear non voters complain because their voice doesn’t matter cuz they don’t use their vote f*** them.

What I am saying is calling out Biden for enabling genocide is valid and shouldn’t be instantly shot down and voting for third party is cool in non-swing States.

Yeah I’m not saying anybody should roll over and roll that Trump win. I literally rather shoot myself. A vote for Trump is probably the worst thing you could do. I vote for the greens or the socialists or Cornell West on the other hand. It does some good. Not enough. Good to get us to where we need to be in this election but we can start the momentum now.

I hear you. I’m going to try to be clearer

What I’m trying to point out to you is that you and many other people I see here as soon as anyone points out that the Democrats are backing a genocide and something needs to be done about it. Act like those people, including myself are supporting Trump or other Republicans.

All I’m trying to say to you is there are other strategies available and other reasons someone would not want to vote for Biden. Even in a way you might deem safe.

As soon as a criticism of Biden is made and there is a suggestion that something can be done about it, It is shot down by saying Trump would do it worse. This sentiment is used to stop people who want to stop the genocide. That’s why I’m calling it defending genocide.

We all know Trump would do it worse. Do not vote for Trump. Or any Republican they all suck. The thing I’m trying to get through is most of the Democrats suck too. If we continue to vote for Biden, another Dems, we’re going to get the same shit.

By instantly countering with someone who wants to do better by saying well, you’re actually going to do worse. You were defending the status quo and part of the status quo is genocide.

Do you get what I’m saying?

Another comment cuz I want to elaborate the problem is the Dems are controlled opposition. They pretend to be leftist and say they want to do the right thing but they never do. They’re always a couple votes short or just somebody turned on them or something always goes wrong. Obamacare was even a right-wing idea that came out of the heritage foundation. That’s why it sucks.

So solution we need an actual left-wing party. How do we do that without majorly screwing ourselves?

The only way I can think of outside of a violent revolution is slowly gaining control of a third party election after election to the point where it’s a viable contender and can win.

The only alternatives are violent revolution and continuing to pick the lesser of two evils and continuing to have the most important election of our lifetime so far every election. We need to do better. We need to organize.

Being complacent with where we are, especially with enabling genocide will only put us on the chopping block eventually.

Yes, thank you! If you were to go through my comment history, you’ll see me arguing for voting for third parties in non-swing States. I also cite that if any of those third parties gets 5% in the vote, they get public funding in the next round as well as a chance to actually contend.

My vote is probably going to end up going for Claudia de La Cruz or Dr. Cornell West. Because I live in a hard blue state that will not change.

Yes.

If anytime someone brings up how the current political establishment are aiding and abetting genocide and that’s a bad thing and you immediately start defending them. You are defending genocide. 🤷

That’s why I asked who said anything about voting for Trump. I’d shoot myself in the head before I did that. You know when I’m not going to do pretend like genocide Joe’s not a f****** genocide enabler. Cuz I don’t defend genocide or people who help commit them. You should try it real easy.

You think the f***** who’s supplying weapons to the genociders is slowing down the genocide?

I know I said I wasn’t going to respond. That’s the dumbest f****** thing I’ve ever heard.

Let me put it to you. This way if someone’s ever torturing you the death, I will slow them down by supplying them the equipment to make you feel the most pain possible.

It’s a tragedy that it’s not you and your family starving to death and instead it’s innocent people.

All right, you really want the question answered. Here’s my answer. Genocide’s not involved so I’ll just eat the f****** pizza. You f****** privileged piece of s***

The pig is dead both ways. Are you telling me to accept that all of Palestine has already been killed that there is not killing currently going on??

See this is why the metaphor is f****** stupid And doesn’t f****** work?.

There’s still innocent leople being slaughtered everyday and you’re over here supporting it.

I hope that you take one of their places. I hope that you and your family are killed instead of them because they have a chance of being empathetic where I can tell you’re not. I won’t be wasting my time replying to you again

Do you think maybe this is something beyond just trying to get people to vote for Trump? Maybe people just really hate genocide and don’t like the idea of voting or supporting someone who is okay with it?

Think maybe there are third party options?

Do you think maybe the electoral college and the stupid voting situation in this country has made it so many people have an opportunity to vote third party while their state still goes to Biden??

Listen all I’m trying to say is people have a ton of different reasons to call out Joe for his support of genocide. You immediately defending it makes you and the things you stand for look bad because you’re defending genocide. Just saying

I’m neither but I’m pointing out that in your situation, the parallel of a pepperoni pizza to genocide isn’t the same because you can undo pepperoni pizza by taking the pepperonis off. Are you going to unmurder those children?

Tell me in your metaphor where you can pick off the f****** pepperoni tell me what the equivalent is you daft f****** fascist

The sheer amount of privilege to make the equivalent of genocide in your metaphor pepperoni on a pizza you have to pick off.

Jesus f****** Christ.

There are tens of thousands of dead children dude. You call that picking pepperoni off of f****** pizza?

You think there’s only a handful of people in this country who care about genocide? Or I’m sorry, apparently caring about genocide means you’re a vegan? What are you going to tell me next that killing Indian children is cool because of bacon?

Yikes

You think genocide Joe memes are to dissuade Republicans from voting for Joe Biden? You think someone concerned about genocide would vote for Trump for Biden? What?

Who said anything about voting for a republican?

Being an American is fucking embarrassing. How is it? We got all this military power and we’re going to let our own puppet state push us around. Like if we’re going to be baddies, at least be THE baddies

Can we bring the Palestinians here in exchange for all our politicians? Shit I’ll throw in casual trumpers and blue maga folk as well.

Astroshitting? Are you accusing me of being paid to do this? Dude I just made a comment with another reason someone wouldn’t vote for Biden.

‘Don’t be so laissez-faire with your words. You could easily be astroshitting all over the place.’

My original comment used the words “non-swing state” now you’re saying “oh well, I didn’t know when you said non-swing state I thought maybe it could be a swing state.” You’re silly. You also edited your last comment after I responded to it, which is gross.

I won’t be wasting my time with responding to you after this 👈😎

Yeah no one takes orders from you take it down a notch kiddo. 😜

No reasonable person would predict my state would turn in this election. Even our Republican politicians hate trump here 🤣. Trump won’t win my state. I would wager as much money as I could on it lol. Trying to dictate what I do with my vote based off this improbability is silly.

How about no?

You make a great point. This one should never expire. (If I did this right lol)

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