• Harrison [He/Him]
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    110 months ago

    Palestine is and was an ethnocracy. They’re hardly any better.

    • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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      110 months ago

      Israel literally funded the far right extremist organizations because they’d rather fight them than socialist resistance. It’s Israel’s fault they’re like that.

      • Harrison [He/Him]
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        110 months ago

        And I suppose they managed this even before Israel came into existence? They have always been like this. The original leaders of the Palestinian government in the Arab-Israeli war were largely fascist anti-communist agitators.

        It might very generously be Israel’s fault that they’re still like this, but that does not change the reality of the situation.

        • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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          110 months ago

          It might very generously be Israel’s fault that they’re still like this

          That is what I’m saying and that is what matters.

          but that does not change the reality of the situation.

          The reality is that Israel is a settler colonial ethnostate genociding Palestinians and it shouldn’t exist.

          • Harrison [He/Him]
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            110 months ago

            Sure, it shouldn’t have been created, but it’s here now, and the majority of people living in it were born there. We can’t make it go away by wishful thinking.

            • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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              210 months ago

              Do you think dissolving Israel would require relocating everyone? Thats like saying the only way to fight white supremacy in the US is to kill or relocate all the white people.

              • Harrison [He/Him]
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                110 months ago

                History has proven time and again that given the opportunity, the nation’s bordering Israel in every direction (save possibly Lebanon) will try to either annex Israel or restore the entirety of it to an Arab nationalist muslim government.

                Should such an event come to pass, the displacement of the entire population would be a best case scenario. The Jewish population of Syria and Jordan are both zero, and Egypt’s is less than 20, down from several hundred thousand between the three in 1948.

                There is no way to interpret the Hama’s charter other than incitement to genocide.

                The major factors preventing another Arab-Israeli war are tensions with Iran, Billions of dollars in US military aid, and the nuclear weapons likely owned by the Israeli state.

                Dissolve the Israeli state, and unless you replace with something similar, and those factors will no longer stand. Compromise the territorial integry of the new state to any serious degree, including ceding the west bank to a Palestinian state, and Israel becomes militarily indefensible.

                • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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                  210 months ago

                  “Israel has to do genocide or the people Israel funded might to genocide”

                  You know Israel could just try to be a pluralistic society that doesn’t do genocide or apartheid right? But then it wouldn’t really be Israel would it?

                  • Harrison [He/Him]
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                    110 months ago

                    How exactly could Israel try to be a pluralistic society? Neither side will accept a one state solution.