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It’s not even that anyone here would be against criticism of China’s nationalism and policies regarding ethnic and religious minorities. The fact it’s Adrian fucking Zenz and his anecdotal word regarding a country and region he exclusively does not live in is what killed any credibility of the story whatsoever.
my dad says the same
sometimes I think my dad’s a secret commie
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Is this “footage of concentration camps” in the room with us now? The only videos I’ve seen were of people being detained (who are now released) or otherwise on voluntary programs.
You can’t trust those sly Asiatics! If they’re doing something organized then it’s probably nefarious.
It’s best described as compulsory (re)education for at-risk adults. And it’s also successfully concluded; the schools have been closed for over four years.
Westerners have settler-colonialism in their cultural DNA. When they see boarding schools for ethnic minorities, they can’t help but project their own genocidal history and intent. But it’s not a fair comparison. Schools for First Nations people in North America would beat children for speaking their native tongue, whereas the ones in Xinjiang improved literacy in the indigenous languages.
Fork it over, fork over the evidence
Evidence of concentration camps in UK
“China doing genocide is bad”
“So you’re saying the west doing genocide is good?”
Mfs when a whole other sentence.
A functional penal system isn’t exactly genocide.
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How is it cultural genocide when they have all public things (signs, documents etc) written in Mandarin and the local language? If the government rebuilds and renovates historical and religious buildings? Sponsors cultural events, like festivals, parades, performances etc.
This is true for all autonomous and minority regions and cultures in China btw, not just Xinjiang and the Uyghur people.
What do you mean by cultural genocide exactly?
Who said it’s Sinicisation? People can be taught life skills in a culturally respectful manner. China and Russia are not settler-colonial cultures. Is it cultural genocide to teach Uyghur adults how to read and write in their own language?
Any defender of settler colonialism in the new world or Australia could say the same thing, and you would be the first to point out why it’s bad.
Like it or not, Sinicisation and the destruction of mosques are colonialism and cultural genocide. The massive birth rate drop is also overwhelmingly likely to be genocidal. Even if every report about sterilisation is false, forcing an ethnic minority to have 90% less children than they were before is a genocidal policy: they want less Uighur children to exist.
Anyone who cares about the self-determination of indigenous peoples would naturally care about this too. China doesn’t become ontologically evil because they do some bad stuff. No socialist project should be above critique. China is not our football team.
Any defender of settler colonialism in the new world or Australia could say the same thing, and you would be the first to point out why it’s bad.
Like it or not, Sinicisation and the destruction of mosques are colonialism and cultural genocide. The massive birth rate drop is also overwhelmingly likely to be genocidal. Even if every report about sterilisation is false, forcing an ethnic minority to have 90% less children than they were before is a genocidal policy: they want less Uighur children to exist.
Anyone who cares about the self-determination of indigenous peoples would naturally care about this too. China doesn’t become ontologically evil because they do some bad stuff. No socialist project should be above critique. China is not our football team.
Uighurs are the 2nd fastest growing ethnic group in all of China. Their population is growing both in absolute and relative terms. Westoids cannot address this.
forcing an ethnic minority to have 90% less children
Any source on this? Even shitty fake Western news only claims more like 30% at the time.
the destruction of mosques
That was fake news. That shady Australian weapons lobby organization used satellite photos of a mosque that was being renovated and expanded. The number of mosques has increased in Xinjiang. It’s undergoing a cultural revival.
forcing an ethnic minority to have 90% less children
Source for those numbers? How do you “force” people to not have kids?
You should read through this. Make sure to check the sources for all of these. Like this.
Sorry, Internet got fucky and my comment got posted 3 times for some reason
It happens to the best of us.
Two unrelated maps
lol
Ah, the rules based international order*
*Rules that mean I am wrong don’t apply.
the international community, if you will
When was that vote? Brazil cut diplomatic relations with Israel a while ago
I believe right after October 7th, within a month at least.
Just read some news on this. The government was sorta both siding, in favor of ceasefire, criticized the attack itself, not Hamas, and criticized Israel. That is until Lula took a more critic position of Israel, and they didn’t like it, then things escalated. Brazil has a diplomatic tradition of neutrality, arguing for peace, that’s probably where this position came from at first
What’s with Latin America and their attitude against Hamas?
Disconnected from the rest of the global south and taken in by western neoliberal propaganda. Probably because US has a lot of sway over them and even the leftish countries play suck up when democrats are in charge, like Brazil and Mexico.
Couldn’t tell you more than that. Do they have a very negligible Arab or Muslim population? If Trump was president during this I bet it would look different as Lula and AMLO would have better sense and less ties
Some of the largest Palestinian diaspora are in Latin America. Chile has the largest population of them outside of Palestine and the MENA region. My country of Guatemala has the third highest in all of North America. President Bukele of El Salvador is Palestinian.
Your point about us being taken in by NATO liberal media is very true. Even our center-left president can’t bring himself to do anything against Israel.
Religion probably plays a role, making the propaganda described by Z more easily swallowed
many such cases
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Ooh now let’s do the first one with a map of Muslim majority nations.
So the only one to oppose is Albania.
Bosnia too.
Next time someone calls Pakistan a lap dog of the US, just show them this map. There is not another country on the planet that toes the imperial line and yet at the same time, for all intents and purposes, cucks the US when it suits them.
I get that people on here and on the ‘left’ world over fault them for, I don’t know what, being the only muslim nuclear power in Asia, not publicly supplying the Palestinians with weapons or like, atomic bombs? but it’s quite honestly such a complex geopolitical entity that I’m surprised the US is constantly thirsting over taking over Iran all the time instead of managing their weird bdsm relationship with Pakistan. But after all, the MIC only loves money and oil and destabilization and the absolute destruction of Israel and the entire region is not a concern
There is not another country on the planet that toes the imperial line and yet at the same time, for all intents and purposes, cucks the US when it suits them.
Turkey does this a lot too, which is why lots of westerners hate Erdogan nearly as much as they hate the Putin
My criticism of the Pakistani government is mostly surrounding its role in the War on Terror and its complicity, but I also hold equal criticism of Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, The Gulf States, Egypt and others when they act as agents of US foreign policy against the interests of their own people. Pakistan is not alone in doing this.
I liked Khan a lot, would like to see more of a return in that direction.
adrian zenz right now:
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I wish I could shove you into a locker or down a flight of stairs
What is your definition of pro-China propaganda?
If someone conditions you to run and hide from contrary information, that’s because they’re trying to keep you sheltered and brainwashed.
I wish these comments didn’t get removed so I can dunk
Why do you think China is more effective at genocide then the United States and “Isreal?”
For those wondering what the blue Turkish flag is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_East_Turkestan
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