I’d be happy with a world without a white supremacist hegemonic power, but I don’t think if China were to be the worlds only superpower we’d live in a better world.
Currently the world’s superpowers are committing a second Holocaust in Gaza. It’s possible that 500,000 are dead (population was 2.1m before genocide began, Trump said there’s 1.6m in Gaza when negotiating with Israel). The EU is just as complicit in this genocide as the US. That’s just what’s happening now, one of many American atrocities.
With that in mind: what has China ever done in history to make you so much more scared of them?
I don’t disagree that EU and US do terrible things across all over the world. Palestinian genocide is a good example of why the world would be better off if it isn’t ruled by either the US or the EU. But these horrible things will continue to happen without one, two or three global superpower. It’s not like UN is really able to make a difference. The reason I’m more scared for China is not of how they have treated the people in other countries, but how they treat their own people. Do you have an example of how China helped a nation or people in a way that is western countries haven’t?
oh you mean lifting 800 million out of poverty? or did you mean building 48,000km of high speed rail.
or did you mean leading the world’s investment in clean energy and hitting climate targets ahead of schedule?
here’s some more stuff you should read but won’t because you believe lies to protect your racist worldview
The so called authoritarian dictators of the third world that you hold hatred for, if they did exist, would kill for their populations to be so afraid of learning something new as you are.
Oh man, eliminating poverty, what a crime. You do realize that the U.S. still has the largest prison population per capita right? Maybe think about how the U.S. treats their own people as well?
I’m sure the guy who believes Adrian Zenz’s bullshit knows more than all the global south countries which country has helped build infrastructure there
In Africa? That is actually correct. Western countries do not build hospitals in Africa. The most they do is build pharmaceutical production facilities that are later bombed by their airplanes.
The West only built hospitals in Africa before WWI when they were treating the continent as full-blown colonies. The hospitals were built in colonial trade centers for colonists, not for the indigenous people. Neocolonialism does not partake in this practice, it is premised on neoliberalism. It, at most, issues debt with anti-worker and anti-sovereignty strings attached that ends up damaging thr country’s infrastructure further. It is important to understand that the OECD countries do not, generally speaking, operate by capital investment in infrastructure of imperialized countries. They are parasitic.
You should look into the Belt and Road Initiative, which has been funding critical infrastructure in Asia and Africa for years now. Pretty recently, China forgave some billions of debt owed to them by African countries. Compare that to how the US and EU handle debt, where they only offer “relief” they require impoverished countries to cut social services and sell off mineral and agricultural rights. China wants international partners, US and EU want colonies.
can’t wait to hear about how the London School of Economics and Johns Hopkins University are full of communists
London School of Economics research concludes an Ethopian case study with the discovery that “Chinese Investment In Africa Has Had ‘Significant And Persistently Positive’ Long-Term Effects Despite Controversy.” Dr. Deborah Brautigam from Johns Hopkins University concurs:
The Chinese ‘Debt Trap’ is a myth. The narrative wrongfully portrays both Beijing and the developing countries it deals with.
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Our research shows that Chinese banks are willing to restructure the terms of existing loans and have never actually seized an asset from any country, much less the port of Hambantota. A Chinese company’s acquisition of a majority stake in the port was a cautionary tale, but it’s not the one we’ve often heard. With a new administration in Washington, the truth about the widely, perhaps willfully, misunderstood case of Hambantota Port is long overdue.
or does it only become communist when LSE gets quoted here you loser cracker
How is forgiving debt, debt-trapping? Hell, most of the Belt and Road doesn’t even tie their economy specifically to China, as it is funded by collateralized dollar denominated US debt that China owns. If anything, it is the US attempting to debt trap China (if someone owes you ten dollars that’s their problem, if someone owes you a million dollars that is a you problem) and China sharing the burden with other countries, in order to increase overall production and create a shared world economy, you know that thing that you liberals always claim to be a big ol’ fan of.
I think you don’t even know what a debt trap is. It is certainly not the practice of forgiving debt, renegotiating debt plans, or even just eventually taking the assets provided when a country or other debtor defaults.
China has dramatically improved living conditions for its own people over the previpus 50 years. This is in stark contrast to virtually every other non-OECD country subject to imperialism. It is even in stark contrast to many OECD countries who have spent the last 50 years neoliberalizing their economies, making life overall much more expensive for their people despite the spoils brought to them by imperialism.
What do you think of when you imagine the ills China has done “to its own people” and have you spent more than 10 minutes actually researching the topic(s)?
I don’t see how you can see the persecution of Uyghurs and the forced assimilation of Xinjiang and expect China to do any better. Genocide is genocide.
if “genocide is genocide” the Palestinians would be up to their ears in job training and political education! i suspect you are making bad faith arguments.
Can you find a source that doesn’t cite Adrian Zenz and says otherwise? Because I’m pretty sure the representatives from ~20 majority Muslim countries that visited the vocational training facilities in Xinjiang pretty much said that they were for job training and education; it was the countries who didn’t visit the facilities to inspect them who insisted that they were being used to brainwash people.
You can literally go on XHS and talk to uyghurs living in xinjiang. In fact, you should, even though you will convince yourself it’s an elaborate trick.
They literally are!!! They are!!! That was explicitly the tactic that the CPC used to de-radicalize the region was to enrich it by giving those who had participated in these groups to receive political and practical education in addition to massive subsidies to transform Xinjiang into a wealthy and industrious region!!!
I don’t see how you can see the persecution of Uyghurs and the forced assimilation of Xinjiang
Xinjiang is already assimilated. It is part of China and has been for ages, governed under the guiding principles of multi-ethnic administration. The persecution of Uyghurs is far kinder and more positive than anything the West has ever cooked up. Vilifying it requires a particular level of gullibility that only really exists as white supremacist laziness.
and expect China to do any better. Genocide is genocide.
China has not committed genocide. However, the countries you prefer have.
meanwhile you are blissfully dreaming the China is totally treating Muslims worse than the country that checks notes is funding an ongoing genocide of Muslims and has been bombing hospitals in the middle east sincevthe early 2000s.
Hmm well it’s interesting you should say that as German and British weapons vaporize Palestinian families. I wonder why you put your hope in that and not China?
A lot of people are calling you out over the Uyghur nonsense but this kind of thinking:
I’d rather be a German or Brit and be profiting from Palestinian families being vaporized than be one of those vaporized families. Do think it would be much much better if no family was vaporized.
Is the absolute most monstrous thing that you could be saying. Seriously, imagine saying this about Jews being gassed in the Holocaust, or Black people being enslaved in the Atlantic slave trade. Your wishful thinking means nothing if you’re so caught up in the ideology that makes you think Chinese people will treat you the way your disgusting imperialist states have treated the third world for centuries. Thanks be to God that the world isn’t only populated by settlers who can only imagine things working out as dominators and dominated.
What? How is a Chinese person in the 21st Century profitting off the Holocaust? The actual analogous thing to what you said would be would you rather be a Jew being gassed, or a citizen of Nazi Germany profitting off slave labor in the concentration camps and doing nothing about it. And I believe in hell, so I don’t think I’d take the eternal damnation in this case.
you can look at Gaza and still hide behind this bullshit? fuck you
educate yourself and stop repeating CIA propaganda that validates your racist worldview
The white supremacist’s greatest fear is that they will be treated as harshly as they have treated others. So they must invent and imagine brutality to fear, justifying their subscription to continued ethnic cleansing against no-whites.
how the state suppresses their people with a social credit system
Lmao. The “social credit system” which literally never existed and even western media admitted was a misunderstanding (there was a credit system in place for scoring businesses which failed to pay debts in time). All the while in the capitalist-imperialist countries, one’s financial credit score determines their ability to buy a house or car.
This level of arrogant-ignorance is something you can only find amongst true Europeans. Even Americans are known to be more critical of their propaganda narratives.
Because it sounds a lot better than a Chinese century
Imagine a world without a white supremacist hegemonic power
I’d be happy with a world without a white supremacist hegemonic power, but I don’t think if China were to be the worlds only superpower we’d live in a better world.
Currently the world’s superpowers are committing a second Holocaust in Gaza. It’s possible that 500,000 are dead (population was 2.1m before genocide began, Trump said there’s 1.6m in Gaza when negotiating with Israel). The EU is just as complicit in this genocide as the US. That’s just what’s happening now, one of many American atrocities.
With that in mind: what has China ever done in history to make you so much more scared of them?
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I don’t disagree that EU and US do terrible things across all over the world. Palestinian genocide is a good example of why the world would be better off if it isn’t ruled by either the US or the EU. But these horrible things will continue to happen without one, two or three global superpower. It’s not like UN is really able to make a difference. The reason I’m more scared for China is not of how they have treated the people in other countries, but how they treat their own people. Do you have an example of how China helped a nation or people in a way that is western countries haven’t?
oh you mean lifting 800 million out of poverty? or did you mean building 48,000km of high speed rail. or did you mean leading the world’s investment in clean energy and hitting climate targets ahead of schedule?
here’s some more stuff you should read but won’t because you believe lies to protect your racist worldview
https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
thanks for the propaganda link, will totally change my view of China.
The so called authoritarian dictators of the third world that you hold hatred for, if they did exist, would kill for their populations to be so afraid of learning something new as you are.
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You’re providing a link to a communist website, it literally is propaganda.
“Anything that doesn’t adhere to what I already think is propaganda”
Also something being propaganda doesn’t mean it’s not true.
wave your thought-terminating cliche and cling to your lies, racist
Oh man, eliminating poverty, what a crime. You do realize that the U.S. still has the largest prison population per capita right? Maybe think about how the U.S. treats their own people as well?
I much rather live in the US than China. But to be honest, wouldn’t move either place. Both suck.
Well yeah, of course you would, you clearly prefer white supremacy.
Keep deflecting though, it definitely is a good look.
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Living in China didn’t even suck twenty years ago, you need to update your western propaganda it’s a bit outdated.
“Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture”
https://xcancel.com/Hammonda1/status/1787061224062013553?lang=en
Yes, western countries never built hospitals. You are totally right.
I’m sure the guy who believes Adrian Zenz’s bullshit knows more than all the global south countries which country has helped build infrastructure there
In Africa? That is actually correct. Western countries do not build hospitals in Africa. The most they do is build pharmaceutical production facilities that are later bombed by their airplanes.
The West only built hospitals in Africa before WWI when they were treating the continent as full-blown colonies. The hospitals were built in colonial trade centers for colonists, not for the indigenous people. Neocolonialism does not partake in this practice, it is premised on neoliberalism. It, at most, issues debt with anti-worker and anti-sovereignty strings attached that ends up damaging thr country’s infrastructure further. It is important to understand that the OECD countries do not, generally speaking, operate by capital investment in infrastructure of imperialized countries. They are parasitic.
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Every damn time
We just bomb them.
You should look into the Belt and Road Initiative, which has been funding critical infrastructure in Asia and Africa for years now. Pretty recently, China forgave some billions of debt owed to them by African countries. Compare that to how the US and EU handle debt, where they only offer “relief” they require impoverished countries to cut social services and sell off mineral and agricultural rights. China wants international partners, US and EU want colonies.
funding? you must mean debt-trapping.
can’t wait to hear about how the London School of Economics and Johns Hopkins University are full of communists
or does it only become communist when LSE gets quoted here you loser cracker
Actually, citing sources is Communist.
linky plz
How is forgiving debt, debt-trapping? Hell, most of the Belt and Road doesn’t even tie their economy specifically to China, as it is funded by collateralized dollar denominated US debt that China owns. If anything, it is the US attempting to debt trap China (if someone owes you ten dollars that’s their problem, if someone owes you a million dollars that is a you problem) and China sharing the burden with other countries, in order to increase overall production and create a shared world economy, you know that thing that you liberals always claim to be a big ol’ fan of.
The belt and road initiative is the US dept-trapping China? Wow, you’re brainwashed.
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Did you read the part about how they erased billions of debt owed to China?
What do you consider the IMF and World Bank?
Dang, dude. They really pulled you in, huh? Just rattling off US State Department headlines as comments.
I think you don’t even know what a debt trap is. It is certainly not the practice of forgiving debt, renegotiating debt plans, or even just eventually taking the assets provided when a country or other debtor defaults.
a thought terminating cliché for every occasion
China has dramatically improved living conditions for its own people over the previpus 50 years. This is in stark contrast to virtually every other non-OECD country subject to imperialism. It is even in stark contrast to many OECD countries who have spent the last 50 years neoliberalizing their economies, making life overall much more expensive for their people despite the spoils brought to them by imperialism.
What do you think of when you imagine the ills China has done “to its own people” and have you spent more than 10 minutes actually researching the topic(s)?
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Lib is back on the menu
Lmao I see 41 replies under you. Feelsbadman
yeah you people always claim you’d like it if things were better while mysteriously opposing all existing pathways for things to actually get better
Because China has invaded over 50 countries since the end of WW2? Or was that another super power…
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I don’t see how you can see the persecution of Uyghurs and the forced assimilation of Xinjiang and expect China to do any better. Genocide is genocide.
if “genocide is genocide” the Palestinians would be up to their ears in job training and political education! i suspect you are making bad faith arguments.
yes the Uygurs are totally receiving job training and political eduction.
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Can you find a source that doesn’t cite Adrian Zenz and says otherwise? Because I’m pretty sure the representatives from ~20 majority Muslim countries that visited the vocational training facilities in Xinjiang pretty much said that they were for job training and education; it was the countries who didn’t visit the facilities to inspect them who insisted that they were being used to brainwash people.
You can literally go on XHS and talk to uyghurs living in xinjiang. In fact, you should, even though you will convince yourself it’s an elaborate trick.
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They literally are!!! They are!!! That was explicitly the tactic that the CPC used to de-radicalize the region was to enrich it by giving those who had participated in these groups to receive political and practical education in addition to massive subsidies to transform Xinjiang into a wealthy and industrious region!!!
You can go to Xinjiang and check it out yourself if you want. On the other hand, just try going to Palestine…
Xinjiang is already assimilated. It is part of China and has been for ages, governed under the guiding principles of multi-ethnic administration. The persecution of Uyghurs is far kinder and more positive than anything the West has ever cooked up. Vilifying it requires a particular level of gullibility that only really exists as white supremacist laziness.
China has not committed genocide. However, the countries you prefer have.
Dream on
If you’re a cowardly white supremacist, don’t reply to this message.
Please explain why the UN and Arab League’s independent investigations both found that no genocide was occurring.
“N-nuh uh!”
meanwhile you are blissfully dreaming the China is totally treating Muslims worse than the country that checks notes is funding an ongoing genocide of Muslims and has been bombing hospitals in the middle east sincevthe early 2000s.
I hope you get dropped into Gaza you disgusting worm
https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
by squinting extra hard at grainy satellite images of schools
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Your fear is straight up just racist and not based on anything historical, let alone based on any realities of the Chinese system
Why?
Hmm well it’s interesting you should say that as German and British weapons vaporize Palestinian families. I wonder why you put your hope in that and not China?
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A lot of people are calling you out over the Uyghur nonsense but this kind of thinking:
Is the absolute most monstrous thing that you could be saying. Seriously, imagine saying this about Jews being gassed in the Holocaust, or Black people being enslaved in the Atlantic slave trade. Your wishful thinking means nothing if you’re so caught up in the ideology that makes you think Chinese people will treat you the way your disgusting imperialist states have treated the third world for centuries. Thanks be to God that the world isn’t only populated by settlers who can only imagine things working out as dominators and dominated.
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What? How is a Chinese person in the 21st Century profitting off the Holocaust? The actual analogous thing to what you said would be would you rather be a Jew being gassed, or a citizen of Nazi Germany profitting off slave labor in the concentration camps and doing nothing about it. And I believe in hell, so I don’t think I’d take the eternal damnation in this case.
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you can look at Gaza and still hide behind this bullshit? fuck you
educate yourself and stop repeating CIA propaganda that validates your racist worldview
https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
do you even know who Adrian Zenz is you ignorant fuck
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thanks I will. enjoy economic collapse as Europe reverts to the backwater of the world. say hi to Adrian Zenz for me
I’m kind of horrified of how awful things will become in the west in the coming decades, people are literally going to be eating each other alive.
But when I see that I share my country with people like this, I feel a lot more ok with that idea.
Oh damn, people still believe in the Social Credit Scores and Uyghur Genocide nonsense?
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plenty of time to type empty shit like this but no time to read the links huh
Good job, Patriot!
+50 FICO score
bringing out all the bullshit hits. you aren’t dumb. you believe this absurd shit because you are a racist
China’s Social Credit System Is Actually Quite Boring: A supposedly Orwellian system is fragmented, localized, and mostly targeted at businesses.
I’m sure you care a lot about Occupied Korea’s suicide rate too and aren’t just using this bullshit to pretend to care about workers
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The white supremacist’s greatest fear is that they will be treated as harshly as they have treated others. So they must invent and imagine brutality to fear, justifying their subscription to continued ethnic cleansing against no-whites.
You need reeducation.
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Lmao. The “social credit system” which literally never existed and even western media admitted was a misunderstanding (there was a credit system in place for scoring businesses which failed to pay debts in time). All the while in the capitalist-imperialist countries, one’s financial credit score determines their ability to buy a house or car.
This level of arrogant-ignorance is something you can only find amongst true Europeans. Even Americans are known to be more critical of their propaganda narratives.
So you’re a selfish monster. No surprise there. Stick your head in a puddle until the bubbles stop
Took you long enough to say Uyghur
?
You deserve to be drawn and quartered
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I agree, Chinese Century doesn’t sound good at all. Chinese Millenium sounds better.
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No it doesn’t.
吃屎白鬼
Why?
why?